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    P4P Alert, P4P Alert!!!! McAwful insults victims of domestic abuse

    McAwful has proposed a change to the HB 766, Concealed Handguns, Carrying with a valid Protective Order. Not only does McAwful want the victim to jump through all of the hoops needed to get a CHP, he also wants the victim to complete in person training, a requirement that is greater than that for getting a a regular CHP - insulting to the victim and typical of the asinine thinking of Virginia's Chief Executive.

    Governor Changes submitted to legislature:

    Upon the issuance of a protective order pursuant to § 16.1-279.1, if requested by the petitioner the judge may certify on the order that such protective order shall act as a de facto concealed handgun permit for 45 days after such order was issued or until such order expires or is otherwise dissolved by the issuing court, whichever occurs first, provided that the petitioner has provided proof that he (i) is 21 years of age or older; (ii) is not prohibited from purchasing, possessing, or transporting a firearm under state or federal law; (iii) has completed an application for a concealed handgun permit as defined in subsection E of § 18.2-308.02 prior to the issuance of the protective order pursuant to § 16.1-279.1; and (iv) has completed a valid firearms training course listed in subsection B of § 18.2-308.02 that requires in-person training. (bold and underline are mine)

    Link: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...61+ful+HB766H1
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    Hmmm - if 18yo and can do so legally, just OC or get CHP the regular way. Of course that ignores the intent of the bill.
    Last edited by Grapeshot; 03-08-2016 at 04:06 PM. Reason: fixed
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    How can you receive training if you're not present, in person?
    Even with online training, the student is there, in person?
    Is he trying to head off virtual training, where it's done in a sleep-state, performed in a matrix-etherworld?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristCrusader View Post
    How can you receive training if you're not present, in person?
    Even with online training, the student is there, in person?
    Is he trying to head off virtual training, where it's done in a sleep-state, performed in a matrix-etherworld?
    He is specifically disallowing on-line training.

    "has completed a valid firearms training course listed in subsection B of § 18.2-308.02 that requires in-person training."

    The gun-haters have NEVER liked on-line training, this is just the first foot in the door that they hope will eventually remove on-line training from the list in 18.2-308.02.

    I will agree that the wording of his intended change is horribly vague, but that is what he is trying to do.

    TFred

    ETA: Here's the option from 18.2-308.02 that is attracting the attention:

    "7. Completing any firearms training or safety course or class, including an electronic, video, or online course, conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor;"

    The problem is who does "in person" refer to? The only interpretation that makes sense is that it must refer to the instructor.
    Last edited by TFred; 03-09-2016 at 12:07 PM.

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