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    Had an incident

    Had an icident happen last Friday that I'm not 100% sure that I should talk about it, but never the less had Bonney Lake PD tied up for a bit. End result I was released, they took my weapon for a "24 hour hold" and now I'm being told they have to talk to the prosecuting attorney. FYI I did nothing wrong according to the police. Self defense.

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    Get a lawyer. Keep details on here limited.

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    Well, get a lawyer ready if you cannot competently represent yourself.

    No need to spend $$$ yet. Unless you want to learn what you may be charged with and carry the cash for bail on you.

    Then if arrested, ya can pay the bail right there and then and save some paper work and other hassles.

    Good luck.

    Or certainly look into a bail bondsmen ... I carry a card in my wallet ... never had to use it but its there when needed.
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    Well,,,

    If the cops said you did nothing wrong,, why do they need to talk to the pers, er, a, prosecuter???
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    I am a member of a group called second call defense that handles issues such as this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Animalou812 View Post
    I am a member of a group called second call defense that handles issues such as this.
    LOL. Only $120 to $500 per year whether or not it is used.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Animalou812 View Post
    I am a member of a group called second call defense that handles issues such as this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    LOL. Only $120 to $500 per year whether or not it is used.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    LOL. Only $120 to $500 per year whether or not it is used.


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    I know the guy and lets just say you want to wear really tight jeans around him; it's hard to get your wallet out of your pocket when wearing tight jeans.

    "[U]nderwritten by Lloyds of London" means good luck. Lloyds of London is the bottom of the barrel insurance. It actually does not have liquid funds. The way I understand it works is that the money you get is actually a loan. If you prevail they forgive the loan.

    I asked him for a copy of the terms and conditions/contract, but it was never forthcoming.
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    The only details are firearm, self defense, police, meeting with prosecutor.
    Those are more than enough details to know you don't go in there without a lawyer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by briehl12 View Post
    Had an incident happen last Friday that I'm not 100% sure that I should talk about it, but never the less had Bonney Lake PD tied up for a bit. End result I was released, they took my weapon for a "24 hour hold" and now I'm being told they have to talk to the prosecuting attorney. FYI I did nothing wrong according to the police. Self defense.
    Ditto, don't go without a lawyer. Better, yet just don't go! The fact that the police have told you that you did nothing 'wrong' means absolutely nothing. You are heading into a fishing expedition and your name is on the menu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC4me View Post
    Ditto, don't go without a lawyer. Better, yet just don't go! The fact that the police have told you that you did nothing 'wrong' means absolutely nothing. You are heading into a fishing expedition and your name is on the menu.
    Yeah, I missed that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by briehl12 View Post
    Had an icident happen last Friday that I'm not 100% sure that I should talk about it, but never the less had Bonney Lake PD tied up for a bit. End result I was released, they took my weapon for a "24 hour hold" and now I'm being told they have to talk to the prosecuting attorney. FYI I did nothing wrong according to the police. Self defense.
    The cops will tell you that you did nothing wrong and then wait to see what you say that they can use against you in court, stop talking to Cops for any reason. Cops lie, that is what they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    If the cops said you did nothing wrong,, why do they need to talk to the pers, er, a, prosecuter???
    Usually, the cops will not say you did nothing wrong, but something along the lines of they can't see that you did anything wrong. Big difference. The cops are not legal experts, and anything that isn't crystal clear needs a decision from the DA, who is a legal expert.

    Nothing wrong with that process, when it's done correctly.

    But that still means you do not volunteer information except through your attorney. The cops get their attorney (the DA) involved, and they know the system better than you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    If the cops said you did nothing wrong,, why do they need to talk to the pers, er, a, prosecuter???
    And why did they SEIZE your firearm?
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    See what had happen was after all the commotion they told me that after a weapon is brought in the situation, it's a mandatory 24hr hold. I haven't heard back from anyone yet and I am under the impression that the 24hr hold is over. However property worker states that in cases like this the pa like to hold onto property.

    Not sure what I should do at this point. Everything was recorded on the 911 call I made.

    Also every person that was questioned has the same story as mine. My witnesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by briehl12 View Post
    ...Not sure what I should do at this point. ...
    What does your attorney say? There is paperwork that can be filed to demand your property. The system is set up so that the common man doesn't know how to use it.
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    If the gun cost $200 and the attny $1000 .... why pay $1000 chasing $200 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    If the gun cost $200 and the attny $1000 .... why pay $1000 chasing $200 ?
    There's also that. And the system counts on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by briehl12 View Post
    See what had happen was after all the commotion they told me that after a weapon is brought in the situation, it's a mandatory 24hr hold. I haven't heard back from anyone yet and I am under the impression that the 24hr hold is over. However property worker states that in cases like this the pa like to hold onto property.

    Not sure what I should do at this point. Everything was recorded on the 911 call I made.

    Also every person that was questioned has the same story as mine. My witnesses.
    So is this 'mandatory' hold a policy or a matter of law---- if policy, they have seized your private property without a warrant to justify same. If a matter of law--- they should give you the Washington state code that allows it. At least it seems this way to me!
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    I did not find any 24 hold in the rcw upon quick search.

    If that is a "policy" then that violates state preemption. It can also be used to create bogus evidence of you having committed a crime to solve a cold case.

    Spend casings, ballistics, looks like the gun used at another location. ..

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    sorry Freedom, there might be a hold if this were a DV altercation...1) my witnesses... 2) firearm brought into the situation... 3) BL PD tied up for a bit... 4) you did nothing wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    sorry Freedom, there might be a hold if this were a DV altercation...1) my witnesses... 2) firearm brought into the situation... 3) BL PD tied up for a bit... 4) you did nothing wrong...

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    If it was DV4 in Washington he would be sitting in jail not posting in this forum.

    Been charged in this state, you're guilty until proven innocent. I got the charges dropped but man oh man.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    If it was DV4 in Washington he would be sitting in jail not posting in this forum.

    Been charged in this state, you're guilty until proven innocent. I got the charges dropped but man oh man.

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    since his witness said he did nothing wrong...but error in judgement in bring a firearm into the fracas ??

    bonney lake police blotter has nothing listed whatsoever about fracas w/firearm

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    DV related. Hrm.

    Just wait until the mindless drones here vote in "extremist risk protection orders" via initiative and we have angry exes and anti-gun former roommates getting bored and calling police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine View Post
    DV related. Hrm.

    Just wait until the mindless drones here vote in "extremist risk protection orders" via initiative and we have angry exes and anti-gun former roommates getting bored and calling police.
    Very real worry in this state.

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