Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 26

Thread: Danger - Danger Richmond Greyhound bus station shooter

  1. #1
    Accomplished Advocate color of law's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
    Posts
    3,735

    Danger - Danger Richmond Greyhound bus station shooter

    Active shooter at Greyhound bus station in Richmond VA..... Per Fox NEWS at 3:19 p.m.

    Update...
    http://wtvr.com/2016/03/31/active-sh...d-bus-station/
    Last edited by color of law; 03-31-2016 at 03:29 PM.

  2. #2
    Moderator / Administrator Grapeshot's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    North Chesterfield, Va.
    Posts
    34,620
    Six people shot, 2 are state troopers, one of whom has succumbed to his injury, the bad guy is dead also.

    Information is trickling in - no motive known yet.

    http://www.fox8live.com/story/316125...yhound-station
    Last edited by Grapeshot; 03-31-2016 at 08:20 PM. Reason: my replies keep getting chopped.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

  3. #3
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    baton rouge, louisisana
    Posts
    26

    Gfz

    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Six people shot, 2 are state troopers, one of whom has succumbed to his injury, the bad guy is dead also.

    Information is trickling in - no motive known yet.

    http://www.fox8live.com/story/316125...yhound-station
    I was wandering if the bus station is a gun free zone ?

  4. #4
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Richmond Lynchburg, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    636
    Quote Originally Posted by 357ruger View Post
    I was wandering if the bus station is a gun free zone ?
    According to a quote in the Richmond Times Disgrace it is.

  5. #5
    Moderator / Administrator Grapeshot's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    North Chesterfield, Va.
    Posts
    34,620
    Quote Originally Posted by 357ruger View Post
    I was wandering if the bus station is a gun free zone ?
    No it is not.

    It is private property and one can only be charged with trespass if they refuse to leave.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

  6. #6
    Moderator / Administrator Grapeshot's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    North Chesterfield, Va.
    Posts
    34,620
    The shooter has been identified as a 34 yo James Brown from Illinois with a criminal history.

    http://www.nbc12.com/story/31618041/...ames-brown-iii
    Last edited by Grapeshot; 04-01-2016 at 12:07 PM.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

  7. #7
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    VA
    Posts
    519
    The trooper was involved in a training exercise.

    According to Fox News, Trooper Chad Dermyer, 37, served in the Marine Corps, became a trooper in 2014 and recently joined the state police Counter Terrorism and Criminal Interdiction Unit.

    Quoting from the Fox News article linked below:
    "Details about the training exercise were scant. Police called it “specialized training on criminal interdiction practices,” and said the troopers had completed the classroom instruction and were conducting field practicals at the time the shooting unfolded."

    As the trooper, dressed in fatigues, approached the shooter, an individual who apparently "faced a slew of charges including murder and domestic battery", the shooter opened fire. Other officers in the training exercise engaged the shooter, who later died at an area hospital. Don't see a motive for the shooting.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/01...gone-awry.html

  8. #8
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Thru Death's Door in Wisconsin
    Posts
    13,158
    Quote Originally Posted by markand View Post
    [ ... ] Don't see a motive for the shooting. [ ... ]
    Of course not through the PC filter of rose-colored glasses.
    I am responsible for my writing, not your understanding of it.

  9. #9
    Moderator / Administrator Grapeshot's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    North Chesterfield, Va.
    Posts
    34,620
    Quote Originally Posted by markand View Post
    The trooper was involved in a training exercise.

    According to Fox News, Trooper Chad Dermyer, 37, served in the Marine Corps, became a trooper in 2014 and recently joined the state police Counter Terrorism and Criminal Interdiction Unit.

    Quoting from the Fox News article linked below:
    "Details about the training exercise were scant. Police called it “specialized training on criminal interdiction practices,” and said the troopers had completed the classroom instruction and were conducting field practicals at the time the shooting unfolded."

    As the trooper, dressed in fatigues, approached the shooter, an individual who apparently "faced a slew of charges including murder and domestic battery", the shooter opened fire. Other officers in the training exercise engaged the shooter, who later died at an area hospital. Don't see a motive for the shooting.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/01...gone-awry.html
    What a find very puzzling in that article is the statement, "Trooper Dermyer’s encounter with the male subject was part of the training,” police said in a statement."

    The VSP uses unknown people in their training exercises? Then training with hot guns and no ballistic vest?

    Seems to me that if you are going to have a training exercise at a public location, it might be wise to secure the area first.

    While I am not ready to make a claim, it is entirely possible that VSP training procedures were contributory to this tragedy.

    I think somebody has got a lot of explaining to do.
    Last edited by Grapeshot; 04-01-2016 at 12:38 PM. Reason: added
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

  10. #10
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Thru Death's Door in Wisconsin
    Posts
    13,158
    +1
    I am responsible for my writing, not your understanding of it.

  11. #11
    Regular Member TFred's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Most historic town in, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    7,705
    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    No it is not.

    It is private property and one can only be charged with trespass if they refuse to leave.
    That doesn't make it not a "gun-free" zone. It makes it not "illegal" to have a gun on your person while on the property, but many of the mass shootings (malls, etc.) have been in non-criminally binding, but still "gun-free" zones.

    The question should be, did the property owner have a no-gun POLICY in place?

    ETA: Because remember, law-abiding gun-owners typically do not carry in "gun-free" zones, whether there are criminal consequences attached or not.

    TFred
    Last edited by TFred; 04-01-2016 at 01:54 PM.

  12. #12
    Moderator / Administrator Grapeshot's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    North Chesterfield, Va.
    Posts
    34,620
    Quote Originally Posted by 357ruger View Post
    I was wandering if the bus station is a gun free zone ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    No it is not.

    It is private property and one can only be charged with trespass if they refuse to leave.
    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    That doesn't make it not a "gun-free" zone. It makes it not "illegal" to have a gun on your person while on the property, but many of the mass shootings (malls, etc.) have been in non-criminally binding, but still "gun-free" zones.

    The question should be, did the property owner have a no-gun POLICY in place?

    ETA: Because remember, law-abiding gun-owners typically do not carry in "gun-free" zones, whether there are criminal consequences attached or not.

    TFred
    Real Gun Free Zones are created by statute, regulation or executive order - none of these apply to the Greyhound station.

    To the best of my knowledge, the station does not have a formal no-gun policy in the waiting area. I have not been there in years - used to send Christmas packages via Greyhound.
    Last edited by Grapeshot; 04-01-2016 at 02:08 PM.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

  13. #13
    Regular Member TFred's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Most historic town in, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    7,705
    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Real Gun Free Zones are created by statute, regulation or executive order - none of these apply to the Greyhound station.

    To the best of my knowledge, the station does not have a formal no-gun policy in the waiting area. I have not been there in years - used to send Christmas packages via Greyhound.
    You're derailing the dialog to separate out whether a "gun-free" zone is a government mandate or a private policy. "Good guys and gals" are not going to carry in either place, which yields the same result, which is THE critical fact: ONLY CRIMINALS will have guns in these spaces.

    If you exclude private policy defined zones, then you destroy the claim (John Lott*, among others) that in the past 50 years, since at least 1950, all but two mass shootings have happened in "gun-free" zones. Reducing that number only helps to make the gun-haters point that somehow "gun-free" zones are effective.

    TFred

    * ETA: John Lott quote from linked article: "Since at least 1950, all but two public mass shootings in America have taken place where general citizens are banned from carrying guns."
    Last edited by TFred; 04-01-2016 at 02:38 PM.

  14. #14
    Regular Member TFred's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Most historic town in, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    7,705
    Quote Originally Posted by 357ruger View Post
    I was wandering if the bus station is a gun free zone ?
    Quote Originally Posted by kenny View Post
    According to a quote in the Richmond Times Disgrace it is.
    Do you have a link for this?

    TFred

  15. #15
    Founder's Club Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Lynchburg, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,201
    Like you TFred, when I think of "Gun Free Zones" my mind goes to those that are such by statute and / or by operator's rule, because carrying in either can result in the commission of a crime (trespassing at the least).

  16. #16
    Regular Member TFred's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Most historic town in, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    7,705
    Quote Originally Posted by jmelvin View Post
    Like you TFred, when I think of "Gun Free Zones" my mind goes to those that are such by statute and / or by operator's rule, because carrying in either can result in the commission of a crime (trespassing at the least).
    Closer but not quite there: Even if a person decided not to carry in a Target, simply because the management requested it, and even with no threat of arrest for trespass or even an uncomfortable confrontation, I would still consider that a "gun-free" zone if a shooting happened, because the policy, be it benign or criminal, influenced the fact that ONLY the criminal had the gun.

    That's the only point that counts here.

    TFred
    Last edited by TFred; 04-01-2016 at 02:41 PM.

  17. #17
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Thru Death's Door in Wisconsin
    Posts
    13,158

    CIA training explosives forgotten on Loudoun Co. school bus.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/cia-leave...172712978.html

    https://news.google.com/news/search?...plosives%20cia

    Another isolated training incident in Virginia. One article excused them as "benign explosives."
    Last edited by Nightmare; 04-01-2016 at 03:21 PM.
    I am responsible for my writing, not your understanding of it.

  18. #18
    Campaign Veteran roscoe13's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Catlett, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    1,134
    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Real Gun Free Zones are created by statute, regulation or executive order - none of these apply to the Greyhound station.
    Cite?
    "The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good." - George Washington

  19. #19
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    earth's crust
    Posts
    17,838
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/va-...id=mailsignout

    Suspect taken alive ... died later ...

    Even after police subdued the shooter, and as EMS workers aided him, he continued to be combative, police said. He died later at VCU Medical Center. His gun was recovered, police said.

    Seems like the guy did not like the police.

    State and national law enforcement advocates said they are increasingly concerned with an anti-police climate arising from a series of high-profile, racially-charged incidents that they say is getting police officers killed.

    I don't agree with that statement ^^^

  20. #20
    Regular Member Repeater's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Richmond, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,519

    Trooper was Assassinated?

    I wondered if the perp was black and was a #BlackLivesMatter type of killing.

    Well, now we know more about the suspect:

    Richmond cop killer finally ID'd as black man

    More here:

    Cops identify Aurora man as gunman who killed Virginia state trooper

    And here:

    Richmond Greyhound Bus Station Shooter From Suburban Aurora, Illinois
    Sources tell the station that the shooter, who was killed in an exchange of gunfire with police, is James Brown III, 34. Later Friday, police officially confirmed Brown was the gunman.

    Brown had an extensive criminal record, including an attempted murder charge from 2001 for which he was sentenced to four years in prison, and was well known to police in Aurora.

    After serving that sentence, was also convicted on separate cocaine and heroin charges and sent back to jail. He was also sentenced in 2011 on aggravated battery charges, according to Kane County arrest records.
    So how did Brown get his gun?


    James Brown, III - Prohibited Person

  21. #21
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    earth's crust
    Posts
    17,838
    Only prohibited due to tyranny ... he was a free man as far as I know, not an escapee of a jail/prison.

  22. #22
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Richmond Lynchburg, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    636
    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    No it is not.

    It is private property and one can only be charged with trespass if they refuse to leave.
    Excuse me, Greyhound says differently.

    https://www.greyhound.com/en/help-an...rules-on-board

    A few dos and don’ts for riding Greyhound

    We have a few rules to help us keep everyone safe and happy on board (including you) so please respect these rules when you ride with us:

    Please stay in your seat while the bus is moving. When we say 'enjoy your trip' we don't mean rolling half way down the bus if it needs to stop quickly.

    There's no smoking allowed on the bus (it’s against federal law). But don't worry, our buses stop about every two hours so you can have a smoke outside.

    Please don’t take photos, video or make audio recordings of Greyhound staff, equipment or procedures (most of us haven’t been to acting school and just want to do our jobs).

    Absolutely no alcohol, drugs or weapons anywhere on the bus (including in your checked baggage).

    This is a stickler for us – no unruly behavior on the bus. No shouting, being loud, or generally disturbing the driver or other passengers. Just chill out, be nice and enjoy the ride.

    We don’t let animals on board (not even Greyhound puppies). The only exception is legitimate service animals riding together with a disabled person. For more information, see our Customers with Disabilities page.

  23. #23
    Moderator / Administrator Grapeshot's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    North Chesterfield, Va.
    Posts
    34,620
    Quote Originally Posted by kenny View Post
    Excuse me, Greyhound says differently.

    https://www.greyhound.com/en/help-an...rules-on-board

    A few dos and don’ts for riding Greyhound

    We have a few rules to help us keep everyone safe and happy on board (including you) so please respect these rules when you ride with us:

    Please stay in your seat while the bus is moving. When we say 'enjoy your trip' we don't mean rolling half way down the bus if it needs to stop quickly.

    There's no smoking allowed on the bus (it’s against federal law). But don't worry, our buses stop about every two hours so you can have a smoke outside.

    Please don’t take photos, video or make audio recordings of Greyhound staff, equipment or procedures (most of us haven’t been to acting school and just want to do our jobs).

    Absolutely no alcohol, drugs or weapons anywhere on the bus (including in your checked baggage).

    This is a stickler for us – no unruly behavior on the bus. No shouting, being loud, or generally disturbing the driver or other passengers. Just chill out, be nice and enjoy the ride.

    We don’t let animals on board (not even Greyhound puppies). The only exception is legitimate service animals riding together with a disabled person. For more information, see our Customers with Disabilities page.
    No Greyhound doesn't say differently - your reference/link is to being on a bus or in checked baggage, not a person in the terminal...i.e. picking up or dropping off a passenger.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

  24. #24
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Richmond Lynchburg, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    636
    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    No Greyhound doesn't say differently - your reference/link is to being on a bus or in checked baggage, not a person in the terminal...i.e. picking up or dropping off a passenger.
    One thing for sure it will be now. The shooter was a paying passenger. Facts are facts. You can try and spin it, but it won't work.

  25. #25
    Moderator / Administrator Grapeshot's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    North Chesterfield, Va.
    Posts
    34,620
    Quote Originally Posted by kenny View Post
    One thing for sure it will be now. The shooter was a paying passenger. Facts are facts. You can try and spin it, but it won't work.
    I'm not spinning anything. I actually do not know that he was a paying passenger - do you? Last I heard, he was in the restaurant.

    If he traveled on board a bus with the gun, he violated Greyhound policy and likely any contract agreement via his ticket conditions.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •