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    How guns could liberate Cuba. Just the threat of resistance frightens despots. TWT

    • Gabriella Hoffman is a young conservative columnist and blogger based in Northern Virginia.

    The penultimate paragraph of about twenty.
    In April 2013, an Oregon man named Manuel Martinez testified at a hearing against gun control citing his experiences in Cuba. He said, “Gun control does not protect anybody — does not protect the citizens, does not protect the people. The only reason for gun control is for the government to protect [itself from] the citizens, so that the government can manipulate the people and subjugate them. That’s what happened in Cuba “

    Mr. Martinez is absolutely correct. Tyrannical societies are largely defined by disarmament. He lived it and knows his homeland suffered as a result of this and other oppressive policies.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...e-cuba/?page=1

    Should we have a Cuba subforum?
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    No.

    Also, if the million plus Muslims who fled Syria picked up arms, that were very much available, then IS would not be the problem they are today. What makes anyone think the Cuban people will want to throw off the cloak of tyranny they have worn 50+ years?
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    So you believe that freedom and the desire for freedom are not the natural default human condition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    So you believe that freedom and the desire for freedom are not the natural default human condition.
    Those are your words, not mine. Now, you defend your question.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Those are your words, not mine. Now, you defend your question.
    Show me the question mark. That was an accusatory statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    So you believe that freedom and the desire for freedom are not the natural default human condition.
    It is all based on belief. If you believe you're free and not oppressed then in your mind you're free.

    We do not live in a free country. And not by any stretch of the imagination. Yet, most believe they live in a free country.

    And what comes along with belief is feeling good. If you are made to feel good and you believe you feel good then all is right with the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Show me the question mark. That was an accusatory statement.
    Nope, lack of a question mark does not mitigate the question you are attempting to raise in a third person's mind. So, defend your question...for the reading audience that is. After that, then I will address your alleged accusatory statement.

    Rhetorical tricks...pftt!
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    So you believe that freedom and the desire for freedom are not the natural default human condition.
    Nature vs nurture?

    Whose definition of freedom?

    How often do we see people make the case that the US should not attempting to impose its culture around the world?

    Seems there are no shortage of people here in the US who are quite fond of at the least the idea of socialism. The like the "freedom" of guaranteed healthcare, guaranteed education, guaranteed income. And to be fair, many of them are not well position to enjoy the freedom of keeping what they earn since they lack the skills and work ethic to earn much anyway.

    Millions upon millions throughout Europe don't seem to mind being disarmed or paying confiscatory taxes to support a massive social welfare system.

    It appears a lot of Muslims are not really enamored with the freedom to dress immodestly, behave immorally, or to depict their Prophet in blasphemous terms.

    I would not presume to tell another man what is or isn't part of his natural desires. Nor am I smart enough to separate where natural desires end and cultural indoctrination begin.

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    "With Anarchy as an aim and as a means, Communism becomes possible."
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    "Communism and Anarchy [are], a necessary complement to one another. "
    --PETER KROPOTKIN, "Anarchism: its philosophy and ideal." 1898.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Also, if the million plus Muslims who fled Syria picked up arms, that were very much available, then IS would not be the problem they are today. What makes anyone think the Cuban people will want to throw off the cloak of tyranny they have worn 50+ years?
    Guns are just a tool. Having the tool available is important. Being willing to use the tool is critical.

    I have no idea how the typical Cuban views their current government. I recall that during the cold war, some tried to suggest that Germans were "used to the wall" dividing Berlin. I think most Berliners disagreed and we see how they responded to Reagan's "tear down this wall" speech. I recall the Polish Solidarity movement working to throw off Soviet control.

    Yet in hindsight, and watching the extent of socialism throughout Europe, I have to wonder what the real source of dislike for Communism was. Was it that it was imposed by an outside force (the Russians) rather than being home-grown? Was it travel restrictions and privations with bread lines? It doesn't seem that being disarmed or letting government run healthcare and impose confiscatory taxes or require businesses to grant lots of paid vacation really bothers Germans too much. (I'm not sure how much socialism is in Poland these days.)

    Charles
    All experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. Thank heaven we do not permit a few to impose anarchy.

    "With Anarchy as an aim and as a means, Communism becomes possible."
    --Marxist.org

    "Communism and Anarchy [are], a necessary complement to one another. "
    --PETER KROPOTKIN, "Anarchism: its philosophy and ideal." 1898.

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    Mao took over China and started with a bunch of peasants with pitchforks .... Cubans can do the same.

    If they wanted to ... looks like they are happy with what they have.

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