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    MS. Becomes State # 9 CCW with no permit "Gov. Bryant Signs The Church Protection Act

    CONGRATULATIONS MISSISSIPPI

    The Governor signed the bill. This makes Mississippi the ninth state to have permit-less conceal carry (as long as it is in a holster).

    In addition it allows church officials to appoint members to carry in order to protect it's congregation.

    There was no mention when the law will take effect....

    Gov. Bryant signs Church Protection Act

    http://www.wdam.com/story/31736352/g...protection-act


    "House Bill 786 allows residents to carry firearms in belt and shoulder holsters without a permit. It also gives church officials the authority to designate enhanced carry permit holders or those with military or law enforcement training to protect places of worship."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest View Post
    CONGRATULATIONS MISSISSIPPI

    The Governor signed the bill. This makes Mississippi the ninth state to have permit-less conceal carry (as long as it is in a holster).

    In addition it allows church officials to appoint members to carry in order to protect it's congregation.

    There was no mention when the law will take effect....

    Gov. Bryant signs Church Protection Act

    http://www.wdam.com/story/31736352/g...protection-act


    "House Bill 786 allows residents to carry firearms in belt and shoulder holsters without a permit. It also gives church officials the authority to designate enhanced carry permit holders or those with military or law enforcement training to protect places of worship."



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    It'll actually be 10 states with permitless CCW. Congrats!
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    I call it 99.44/100th of constitutional carry one has to have it holstered or in some type of case your out of luck if your just sticking it in your pants or just carrying it in you hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by press1280 View Post
    It'll actually be 10 states with permitless CCW. Congrats!
    Arkansas seems to be counted by many as constitutional carry, but I read the AR attorney general opinion linked from Handgunlaw.us and it didn't sound like it to me. Can someone clarify that for me? Is the 'on a journey' language still operative in Arkansas?

    I think it's about to be time to apply some stricter standards to what gets to qualify as a constitutional carry state--if it's residents only, or has some localities exempted (Montana?), or a requirement to be on a journey, etc, it shouldn't count. That's not real constitutional carry in my mind. It should be like OCDO's gold star state categorization--no permit, any law abiding adult, statewide.

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    There is no national definition, one size fits all, on what constitutional carry means. Different states, different laws.

    As a generic term, such refers to CC or OC on most public property w/o a permit/license to carry by a LAC not otherwise restricted.
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    Well, yeah, but...

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    I certainly appreciate your sentiment. My point is that calling it constitutional carry but not having it statewide, or for non-residents, could be confusing for those not doing their homework. For open carry, OCDO maintains different classifications for the varieties of open carry respected, but I simply think constitutional carry should have a pretty high bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by campfire View Post
    I certainly appreciate your sentiment. My point is that calling it constitutional carry but not having it statewide, or for non-residents, could be confusing for those not doing their homework. For open carry, OCDO maintains different classifications for the varieties of open carry respected, but I simply think constitutional carry should have a pretty high bar.
    Don't do your homework and you will suffer the consequences.

    This is no different than other lack of due diligence circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Don't do your homework and you will suffer the consequences.

    This is no different than other lack of due diligence circumstances.
    Of course. Do you think Arkansas has cc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by campfire View Post
    Of course. Do you think Arkansas has cc?
    CC mean concealed carry, not constitutional carry, which is generally abbreviated = conC.

    We are not here to vote on which state(s) have constitutional carry. Accept it or don't, ymmv, but don't wear it out.

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    Here in NC we have true constitutional carry, it was determined by a court decision using the constitution for the basis of that form of carry.

    Yet we are not recognized as a constitutional carry state, even though our right to OC without a permit cannot be taken away by the politicians.

    Just for myself I do not consider any state that has no permit carry at the whim of the powers that be to be constitutional carry. IMO true constitutional carry needs either a court decision, or proper language in the constitution. We have both in NC.
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    Any prior restraint, including carry in public owned buildings, and you ain't got conC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Any prior restraint, including carry in public owned buildings, and you ain't got conC.
    I agree.

    However, it would appear to me some folks, including lawmakers and judges, think that as long as there is one method of carry that is only lightly restricted such as with only some government offices/buildings off limits then there is some measure of Constitutional carry available. But then....

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    Anything from the government that restricts the right to keep and bear arms is an infringement. The only true Constitutional Carry would be no governmental (Federal, State, or local) restrictions on keeping and bearing arms.
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    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    I agree.

    However, it would appear to me some folks, including lawmakers and judges, think that as long as there is one method of carry that is only lightly restricted such as with only some government offices/buildings off limits then there is some measure of Constitutional carry available. But then....

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    Anything from the government that restricts the right to keep and bear arms is an infringement. The only true Constitutional Carry would be no governmental (Federal, State, or local) restrictions on keeping and bearing arms.
    Unless one is presently incarcerated in a jail, prison, etc. to include visitors to same.

    Constitutional Carry suffers many definitions w/inherent limitations. To be able to OC or CC w/o a permit 95% of the time IMHO passes the test to a workable level. It is a giant step forward.

    Is it acedemically pure in accordance with the strictest reading of the 2A? No, but it is IMHO workable in 95% of the places 95% of the time. None of us will live long enough to see pure, unadulterated conC.

    I say Mississipi has conC. Clean up the bits and pieces as they can be accomplished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Unless one is presently incarcerated in a jail, prison, etc. to include visitors to same.

    Constitutional Carry suffers many definitions w/inherent limitations. To be able to OC or CC w/o a permit 90% of the time IMHO passes the test to a workable level. It is a giant step forward.

    Is it acedemically pure in accordance with the strictest reading of the 2A? No, but it is IMHO workable in 95% of the places 95% of the time. None of us will live long enough to see pure, unadulterated conC.

    I say Mississippi has conC. Clean up the bits and pieces as the can be accomplished.
    You, as is everyone, are entitled to your opinion of what degree of infringement on the right to bear arms is acceptable.

    I do agree that none of us will live long enough to see true Constitutional Carry anywhere simply because even if the permit systems are dismantled throughout the United States there will always be laws that say where and for who it is illegal to bear an arm. And those laws will endure simply because many folks are willing to compromise on the "shall not be infringed" as long as they agree with the infringement.

    I do agree that any steps closer to true Constitutional Carry are a good thing but the 2nd Amendment is quite clear that the right to bear arms "shall not be infringed".
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    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    --sniped--

    I do agree that any steps closer to true Constitutional Carry are a good thing but the 2nd Amendment is quite clear that the right to bear arms "shall not be infringed".
    Had a typo, since corrected.

    Did not intend MI = Michigan. Intent was for MS = Mississippi. Decided to spell it out to clarify. Sorry 'bout that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Had a typo, since corrected.

    Did not intend MI = Michigan. Intent was for MS = Mississippi. Decided to spell it out to clarify. Sorry 'bout that.
    I self edited my post to reflect your changes and to eliminate the portion of my post that now would be unnecessary comment.
    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by campfire View Post
    Arkansas seems to be counted by many as constitutional carry, but I read the AR attorney general opinion linked from Handgunlaw.us and it didn't sound like it to me. Can someone clarify that for me? Is the 'on a journey' language still operative in Arkansas?

    I think it's about to be time to apply some stricter standards to what gets to qualify as a constitutional carry state--if it's residents only, or has some localities exempted (Montana?), or a requirement to be on a journey, etc, it shouldn't count. That's not real constitutional carry in my mind. It should be like OCDO's gold star state categorization--no permit, any law abiding adult, statewide.
    I think the Arkansas designation was based more on the commission of a crime as a requirement to a charge of concealed carry.

    I would agree true constitutional carry should include non-residents, although it's effective as a talking point when legislators say there's going to be blood in the streets if non-prohibited persons are allowed to carry w/o a license. More states to point to always helps.

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