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Family of Four Awakened by Man Shattering Windows to Break Into Their Home.

davidmcbeth

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An incident concerning a shooting on the guy's property ... I don't see a problem for the shooter. A good shot !

Only true morons break windows and enter a dwelling at night.

You're supposed to knock on the door during the day and when no one answers then break in the door. In and out in less than 5 min.
 

Freedom1Man

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An incident concerning a shooting on the guy's property ... I don't see a problem for the shooter. A good shot !

Only true morons break windows and enter a dwelling at night.

You're supposed to knock on the door during the day and when no one answers then break in the door. In and out in less than 5 min.
This works best in new million dollar homes. Knock knock, no answer, pick lock and let self in.

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or no announce service...

the hoosier state has done it right now if the other 49 could find some cajones...

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Difdi

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How does one know the difference anymore?

That's one of the main problems with no-knock raids. By the time you know whether they're police or impersonators, it's too late to resist.

Decide to resist, and if it turns out to be a home invasion robbery, you're a hero. If they turn out to be cops, you get to go to prison for first degree murder and/or attempted first degree murder, if you survive. Decide not to resist, and if it turns out to be police they still might kill you for the flimsiest of reasons. If it's a home invasion robbery and you decide not to resist, you're helpless against anything they decide to do to you or your family.

The only sane response, given that home invasion robbers DO shout "police, warrant!" is to open fire and hope the jury is sympathetic. There is no way to know for sure until it is too late, and lawful self defense turns on what you think you know not the actual facts.
 

JoeSparky

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Since this is in the State of Washington section, is Washington a "common law" State or has the "common law" been abolished as has been done in several other states?
 

davidmcbeth

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That's one of the main problems with no-knock raids. By the time you know whether they're police or impersonators, it's too late to resist.

Decide to resist, and if it turns out to be a home invasion robbery, you're a hero. If they turn out to be cops, you get to go to prison for first degree murder and/or attempted first degree murder, if you survive. Decide not to resist, and if it turns out to be police they still might kill you for the flimsiest of reasons. If it's a home invasion robbery and you decide not to resist, you're helpless against anything they decide to do to you or your family.

The only sane response, given that home invasion robbers DO shout "police, warrant!" is to open fire and hope the jury is sympathetic. There is no way to know for sure until it is too late, and lawful self defense turns on what you think you know not the actual facts.

Serving of warrants is generally supposed to be done in daylight....so can one just assume at night its someone who wishes to do the occupants harm?

And being from Chi-town, we remember the St. Valentines Day killings.

The solution? As Neo said .. guns, lots of guns....
 

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The solution? As Neo said .. guns, lots of guns....

That, and choosing to live in a neighborhood where warrants of any kind are rarely served. Outside video surveillance also helps. If you see three or four guys in plain black clothing, armed with a variety of weapons, and just wearing ball caps with "POLICE" on them, chances are they AREN'T POLICE.

Real Police like to dress up in gear that's well marked, wear body armor, and are armed with standard police weapons, not "Tec-9's, AK-47's, etc".

A nice strong door with multiple deadbolts and a reinforced frame keep intruders out so a call to 911 can be made to verify it's a real "raid".


Of course the risk is far less if you don't live among those who are most likely to be subjected to armed warrant service.
 

davidmcbeth

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Police use AK's and many other guns ... don't think because they don't have any particular gun model that they are not cops. Many PDs allow their members to use their own guns too.
 

XDUser

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Police use AK's and many other guns ... don't think because they don't have any particular gun model that they are not cops. Many PDs allow their members to use their own guns too.

Really, please provide proof of any police force of any Federal agency or of any full State, where the use of an AK47 is approved.
 

decklin

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That, and choosing to live in a neighborhood where warrants of any kind are rarely served. Outside video surveillance also helps. If you see three or four guys in plain black clothing, armed with a variety of weapons, and just wearing ball caps with "POLICE" on them, chances are they AREN'T POLICE.

Real Police like to dress up in gear that's well marked, wear body armor, and are armed with standard police weapons, not "Tec-9's, AK-47's, etc".

A nice strong door with multiple deadbolts and a reinforced frame keep intruders out so a call to 911 can be made to verify it's a real "raid".


Of course the risk is far less if you don't live among those who are most likely to be subjected to armed warrant service.
Police do not always wear marked clothing. Take the Auburn police for example.
Several months back I was driving south bound on A street. Suddenly their seems to be blue lights everywhere. I could see some marked cars in various locations.
Then some unmarked cars arrived and everybody, uniformed and plain clothes, suddenly left their vehicles (still running, doors open, in the dark) in the middle of the road and ran off in about 5 different directions.
There was no communication with the Citizens trying to get home. We just sat there wondering what the hell was happening.
Some police went into the rail yard and others went into the neighborhood.
The plain clothes were wearing black plate carriers without any markings and carrying AR15's.
This was shortly after some of the domestic "ISIS" attacks this past year.
Of course this is the same PD that I saw detaining a kid in the Fred Meyer parking lot for selling weed. They felt it necessary to send two officers wearing plate carriers and AR's.
 
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