stealthyeliminator
Regular Member
If you think that being harassed or threatened by a 9-year old with an airsoft pistol is an opportunity to "prove your manhood" then you don't know what a man is. So do me a favor, and spare me your name calling.
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Today a child pointed a toy gun at me
- Thread starter stealthyeliminator
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If you think that being harassed or threatened by a 9-year old with an airsoft pistol is an opportunity to "prove your manhood" then you don't know what a man is. So do me a favor, and spare me your name calling.
BB62
Accomplished Advocate
Not hardly! :lol:
twoskinsonemanns
Regular Member
"harassed or threatened by a 9-year old with an airsoft pistol"...
Still trying to wrap my head around the concept but since you asked for advice I'll share my own personal experiences when a small child points a toy gun or their finger shaped like a gun at me and says something menacing.
First I concentrate on not wetting myself in terror.
Then if I'm feeling jolly I'll pretend they shot me and go into dramatic fake death-throws in an attempt to illicit laughter.
Or if I'm feeling like a crotchety ol man I'll grumble "Go away."
I hope these experiences help. :monkey
Still trying to wrap my head around the concept but since you asked for advice I'll share my own personal experiences when a small child points a toy gun or their finger shaped like a gun at me and says something menacing.
First I concentrate on not wetting myself in terror.
Then if I'm feeling jolly I'll pretend they shot me and go into dramatic fake death-throws in an attempt to illicit laughter.
Or if I'm feeling like a crotchety ol man I'll grumble "Go away."
I hope these experiences help. :monkey
davidmcbeth
Banned
Unless that 9 yr old kid is a extraordinary person who graduated law school and is not representing the future ex in court ..... then I would not feel threatened by a 9 yr old kid with an airsoft pistol ....
But you???? Here's a link that may help ya:
http://www.interpol.int/Contact-INTERPOL
stealthyeliminator
Regular Member
You're cutting my sentence in half to misrepresent. I clearly stated - clearly enough that anyone of reasonable intellect should understand - that harassment and threats from a kid with an airsoft pistol are not cause for a serious reaction. If you need help figuring out which part of my post conveys this, just let me know and I'll take a screenshot and mark it up with highlights and comments and everything.
You are also misrepresenting what happened - the kid was not pointing a finger playfully.
davidmcbeth, I did not indicate that I "felt threatened." You too are misrepresenting, so that you can try to avoid admitting error in your original comments. Your original comments were not reasonable, so you want to try and misrepresent my story to make your comments seem more reasonable. Really you're just piling up more crap.
as i stated previously, the child got away with the shock & awe attention they were seeking by pulling the stunt and will continue the behaviour. as you stated, this is not new behaviour, but practiced, being refined behaviour to see reaction by adults to the toy.
children, w/excellent caregivers, push the envelope to see what they can get away with before they get in trouble...if there is no accountability for the child, by any adult (read as authority figure) for their behaviour then the attention activities will escalate.
twoskin, laughter or faking a shot in the chest may make your nervous tension diminish but does not mitigate the seriousness of the situation as the child may want to see if the reaction is the same w/a real firearm.
ipse
children, w/excellent caregivers, push the envelope to see what they can get away with before they get in trouble...if there is no accountability for the child, by any adult (read as authority figure) for their behaviour then the attention activities will escalate.
twoskin, laughter or faking a shot in the chest may make your nervous tension diminish but does not mitigate the seriousness of the situation as the child may want to see if the reaction is the same w/a real firearm.
ipse
stealthyeliminator
Regular Member
He didn't get a shock or awe reaction, but I doubt he received any rebuke, so it's pretty likely this particular child's bad behavior will continue and continue to escalate. But I get what you're saying, yes.
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davidmcbeth
Banned
Well, I'll accept that you did not feel threatened. Then why call the police? They are not his parents. If you did not feel threatened then what crime did you think he was committing?
stealthyeliminator
Regular Member
I called them because numerous people here that I trust said that I should. Originally I had no intention of calling the police.
No action by police was requested, nor was any taken. Information about the incident was simply recorded. It's a record in case behavior continues, or worsens, so that there is a more complete picture to work with in the event some behavior, in the future, does require some action. This isn't the first instance of problematic behavior (including unauthorized entering of other's property and messing with their belongings, which is something to which I think you would strongly object). With a growing history of problematic behavior, I think at some point the record needs to begin. I thought, why not here with this incident?
Edit to add: I called someone at the department that I know personally, so that there was little or no risk of overreaction on their part. It's not like I called 911 and reported a MWAG.
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davidmcbeth
Banned
Still, no claim of any crime.
I'm wondering why you did not go and speak to his parents.
As you said, cops did nothing ... so you accomplished nothing, right?
I'm wondering why you did not go and speak to his parents.
As you said, cops did nothing ... so you accomplished nothing, right?
davidmcbeth
Banned
Hardly anything of concern IMO. Kids playing is what it appears to me. The OP did not feel threatened at all ...
You want to call out the National Guard for a kid tossing a snowball at ya it seems. After all, that's just the first step in tossing pipe bombs. :banana::banana:
twoskinsonemanns
Regular Member
As I don't share your assessment of the situation as "serious" I am not dismayed that my play acting with a child would not in your opinion mitigate that seriousness.
Also your suggestion that play acting with a child may lead the child to actually shoot someone is beyond absurd. I'm embarrassed for you that you actually expressed what is so often anti-gun rhetoric.
twoskinsonemanns
Regular Member
I honestly didn't mean to misrepresent when I quoted a portion of your sentence. I didn't want to address the whole sentence just that one concept.
Also yes I guess it wasn't clear to me that you didn't think the threats from the child were cause for a serious reaction. I was confused. The fact that you were asking what should be done and your decision to call the police lead me to that erroneous thinking. My apologies.
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RevolverRO
Newbie
A few years back, I worked at a large shooting range complex in the SE United States. Three or four times a year we would host a three-day clays tournament combining trap, skeet, 5-stand and sporting clays. One evening we had five trap and skeet fields and a five-stand field going, with about 200 shooters and a large number of spectators.
One competitor, a rather wealthy man, had a personal golf cart for driving back and forth to the various fields. His thirteen year-old son was driving the cart around the complex (quite recklessly, too), and when we went to the father we got the 'you can't tell my kid what to do' reply.
Then, as it got dark, the kid produced an airsoft Beretta 92 pistol (complete with laser) and began driving around the rifle and pistol range buildings, 'lighting up' people coming in and out of the buildings and fields.
We asked the kid to stop and he simply gave us the finger and drove away. We asked the dad and got the 'can't tell my kid what to do' reply again.
So I called the on-duty Sheriff's Deputy from his office at the pistol range and told him the kid had a realistic airsoft gun and I was worried that an armed range customer might get 'lit up' by the laser and respond in the expected manner.
Deputy came out, stopped the kid at gunpoint, took him into custody, and cuffed him and delivered him to his father on one of the skeet fields. He told the father that running around a gun range with a realistic-looking pistol, lighting people up with a laser, was a good way to get shot. Father flipped his lid and was screaming at me, at the deputy, and pretty much everyone EXCEPT his kid. He even tried to get me fired, complaining to parks and recreation that we 'mistreated' his kid.
I guess you can't fix stupid. I loved playing with toy guns as a kid, but in this day and age, I wouldn't be shocked to read about a kid with a realistic gun getting shot by police or armed civilians.
One competitor, a rather wealthy man, had a personal golf cart for driving back and forth to the various fields. His thirteen year-old son was driving the cart around the complex (quite recklessly, too), and when we went to the father we got the 'you can't tell my kid what to do' reply.
Then, as it got dark, the kid produced an airsoft Beretta 92 pistol (complete with laser) and began driving around the rifle and pistol range buildings, 'lighting up' people coming in and out of the buildings and fields.
We asked the kid to stop and he simply gave us the finger and drove away. We asked the dad and got the 'can't tell my kid what to do' reply again.
So I called the on-duty Sheriff's Deputy from his office at the pistol range and told him the kid had a realistic airsoft gun and I was worried that an armed range customer might get 'lit up' by the laser and respond in the expected manner.
Deputy came out, stopped the kid at gunpoint, took him into custody, and cuffed him and delivered him to his father on one of the skeet fields. He told the father that running around a gun range with a realistic-looking pistol, lighting people up with a laser, was a good way to get shot. Father flipped his lid and was screaming at me, at the deputy, and pretty much everyone EXCEPT his kid. He even tried to get me fired, complaining to parks and recreation that we 'mistreated' his kid.
I guess you can't fix stupid. I loved playing with toy guns as a kid, but in this day and age, I wouldn't be shocked to read about a kid with a realistic gun getting shot by police or armed civilians.
stealthyeliminator
Regular Member
Honestly I'd say wrong - a record was started, which will be useful if behavior escalates to a point that does require reaction. If something else happens and I hadn't shared with anyone the ongoing history of issues, what will be the first thing they say? "Why didn't you say/do anything sooner"
As state in OP, don't know apartment number or parents names. Could I have played detective and tried to coax it out of management without making them privy to the situation? Could I have confronted the child and tried to make him tell me? Could I have spied on the child with binoculars to see which apartment(s) he enters? None of those options sound any more reasonable to me than what I actually did.
Whether or not the kid committed a crime was more or less irrelevant to my decision to talk to my contact in the PD. I understand why you set the bar there - don't contact LEO because a crime hasn't been committed is what we say about observing lawful OC - but I don't think I've broken the spirit of the rule at all. As I said, it's not like I called 911 and reported a MWAG. In fact, I didn't even make contact over an official communication channel. As far as whether or not the kid could have been prosecuted for something, that's beside the point, but yes he probably could have been. Prohibition of carry of an "air gun" by a minor is not preempted by state law, on public or private property (unless consent of owner is acquired). I'm unaware if we have an ordinance against it, but we probably do. If a prosecutor was able to convince that an air gun is a "deadly weapon" then you could also be looking at disorderly conduct. A skilled prosecutor could probably find other angles to pursue, if they wanted. But nobody is wanting to pursue prosecution for this.
ding ding ding!
The kid wasn't playing. Realistically, could he have hurt me? Not unless we're wrong in assuming the gun was a toy... Does that make his actions ok? No.
RevolverRO, my goodness... That's terrible :shock:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/284202884/Toy-Gun-Ordinance?_ga=1.97842328.687163068.1464134429
happy memorial day present...early...dallas' ordinance...
ipse
happy memorial day present...early...dallas' ordinance...
ipse
davidmcbeth
Banned
Hurry ! Dial Nine-eleven ! A nice lizard would.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM5_T0eNPrQ
No More Mr. Nice Guy !
Next? Call cops on a guy who opens doors for ladies .... possible rapists ! Oh My !
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beachbum71
New member
well thats a stupid kid , what a disrespectful little heathen
