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    Update:Man arrested after gunfire at Harbor Bar

    This one is close to home. This fella blew it royally. He had the privilege of Ocing but decided to go boozing with his gun probably in his pocket. So he concealed it. I know Dave... we don't need any license to conceal our weapon because 2A is an inalienable right, so we can bear arms as we please, but as unconstitutional this statute is we have to get it repealed. But this dude boozed up and got very chemically challenged. An argument ensued, he threatened to do harm and fired his gun like a bozo. Alcohol and guns in public and for some in private do not mix. I presume Nathan Melstrom who has no clue about preemption of fire arms statutes now is going to have difficulty getting his 2A rights back not to mention that he will be fined beyond his ability to pay by the greedy courts. I know, I know Dave... but the legal system is very eager to take your 2A rights away from you not to mention all the commie congress members who want to tax the guns and bullets out of our ability to purchase. So one day when Nathan comes to his senses and regrets his stupid actions because he wants to carry, he will need a lot of dough hiring lawyers to expunge his record. I know I know Dave, in the old days it was much cheaper and the courts have gotten greedy, but... right now it is what it is.

    http://www.piercecountyherald.com/ne...ire-harbor-bar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Law abider View Post
    . He had the privilege of Ocing but decided to go boozing with his gun probably in his pocket.
    Speaking of blowing it royally!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Law abider
    ...Alcohol and guns in public, and for some in private, do not mix...
    Subject to laws, which are independent of your statements, there is nothing wrong with drinking while armed. We do it all the time here.

    Believe it or not, it is quite normal to drink without getting drunk in most parts of the country, though I admit to spending very little time in Wisconsin.

    Maybe start a crusade in your area against all those wackos wielding 6" serrated steak knives while drinking wine with their dinner, too.

    Blaming the booze makes as much sense as blaming the gun.
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    He said itís also not clear yet if the gun was pointed at anyone....from linked article


    Still some ? to be answered (or not).

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    Intoxicated people do not always do intelligent things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Subject to laws, which are independent of your statements, there is nothing wrong with drinking while armed. We do it all the time here.

    Believe it or not, it is quite normal to drink without getting drunk in most parts of the country, though I admit to spending very little time in Wisconsin.

    Maybe start a crusade in your area against all those wackos wielding 6" serrated steak knives while drinking wine with their dinner, too.

    Blaming the booze makes as much sense as blaming the gun.
    Wisconsin is a bit different than most places when it comes to their drinking. Lots of Germans? Normal to drink and not get drunk? I'd say "not unheard of" might be more accurate......😎😎😎

    Having said that, it's not illegal here to carry a firearm where alcohol is sold, not even where consumed, nor to carry concealed in a bar, tho you do need a license. As mentioned in the article. Not sure what that charge would be? Didn't say if he has a CCL or not, guessing not.

    I open carry into a couple of supper clubs and restaurants where alcohol is sold, but I don't drink. I even go into one bar and sit at the bar and drink hot chocolate while OC, with the owner's permission or at least his knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    Intoxicated people do not always do intelligent things.
    Who can argue with that? However, I find them to be far more independent than not.

    Far more stupid things are done by sober (and merely stupid) people.
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    can't fix stupid. Glad nobody got hurt.
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    [QUOTE=MAC702;2191737]Subject to laws, which are independent of your statements, there is nothing wrong with drinking while armed. We do it all the time here.

    Believe it or not, it is quite normal to drink without getting drunk in most parts of the country, though I admit to spending very little time in Wisconsin.

    Maybe start a crusade in your area against all those wackos wielding 6" serrated steak knives while drinking wine with their dinner, too.

    Blaming the booze makes as much sense as blaming the gun.[/QUOTE


    I understand that there is no problem with drinking with a gun holstered on your hip. The issue is that alcohol impairs judgement and the amount varies with people. Yes i have been to a sports bar with the chief OCing and eating lunch. But not everyone has self control like Nathan. I personally do not drink in public. If I do at home I do not drive no matter how much or little i have had. yeah it is ok to drink at the local saloon and drive home but exercising our 2A we need to be prudent. If you want to drink and OC, I am not demeaning you for it. Personally it is a bad policy because gun grabbers etc.... want to take our arms away. Why give them another opportunity. Do you know what will happen to you when you have a drink and OC or drive while OCing after drinking?? It might be fine a thousand times but... Shouldn't we be examples of prudence?
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    Anility is not prudence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deepdiver View Post
    can't fix stupid. Glad nobody got hurt.
    Actually you can fix "Stupid", but it's frowned upon in this country... it's against the law to shoot people...without good reason...<lol>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Anility is not prudence.

    define ANILITY

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    Update: Charges filed

    Wow. A lot of alcohol was in his system and in another person with whom Nathan had the argument. His nickname: Nasty Nate. Charges filed. The usual..

    http://www.piercecountyherald.com/ne...gun-harbor-bar

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    Reportedly, in the article linked above, "highly intoxicated," no BAC reported. The nickname is immaterial and prejudicial. The combatant-victim declined to press charges.

    Defendant Nathan Dean Melstrom in court VIA VIDEO CONFERENCING FROM PCJ with attorney Liesl E. Nelson [Public defender, 20 years]. Defendant Nathan Dean Melstrom in custody. William H. Thorie appeared for the State of Wisconsin. Defendant has copy of complaint Defendant waives reading of the complaint Constitutional rights explained to defendant Exam'd re: understanding of law, penalty and rights DEF PLEADS NOT GUILTY to all counts Pre-trial conference scheduled for June 10, 2016 at 04:00 pm.

    Charge(s)
    Count No. Statute. Description. Severity. Disposition
    1. 941.237(2)Carry Handgun-Alcohol Sold/Consumed Misd. A
    2. 941.20(1)(a)Endanger Safety/Use/Dangerous WeaponMisd. A
    3. 941.20(1)(b)Operate Firearm While Intoxicated Misd. A
    4. 941.20(1)(c)Intentionally Point Firearm At Person Misd. A
    5. 947.01(1)Disorderly Conduct Misd. B

    This case has not been concluded. Unless a judgment of conviction is entered, the defendant is presumed innocent of all charges.

    A presumption is true absent evidence to the contrary. (The Science of Conjecture: Evidence and Probability Before Pascal by James Franklin (3rd JHU 2015)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Reportedly, in the article linked above, "highly intoxicated," no BAC reported.

    Defendant Nathan Dean Melstrom in court VIA VIDEO CONFERENCING FROM PCJ with attorney Liesl E. Nelson [Public defender, 20 years]. Defendant Nathan Dean Melstrom in custody. William H. Thorie appeared for the State of Wisconsin. Defendant has copy of complaint Defendant waives reading of the complaint Constitutional rights explained to defendant Exam'd re: understanding of law, penalty and rights DEF PLEADS NOT GUILTY to all counts Pre-trial conference scheduled for June 10, 2016 at 04:00 pm.

    Charge(s)
    Count No. Statute. Description. Severity. Disposition
    1. 941.237(2)Carry Handgun-Alcohol Sold/Consumed Misd. A
    2. 941.20(1)(a)Endanger Safety/Use/Dangerous WeaponMisd. A
    3. 941.20(1)(b)Operate Firearm While Intoxicated Misd. A
    4. 941.20(1)(c)Intentionally Point Firearm At Person Misd. A
    5. 947.01(1)Disorderly Conduct Misd. B


    This case has not been concluded. Unless a judgment of conviction is entered, the defendant is presumed innocent of all charges.

    A presumption is true absent evidence to the contrary. (The Science of Conjecture: Evidence and Probability Before Pascal by James Franklin (3rd JHU 2015)
    How much will all this cost him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Law abider View Post
    How much will all this cost him?
    More in lawyer fees then the fines well amount too.
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    By paying the prepayment amount within 60 days, clients can satisfy their payment obligations for an amount substantially less than the full payment amount. As an example, the prepayment amount in a misdemeanor case is $60 whereas the full payment amount is $240.

    What is the prepay amount?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Law abider View Post
    define ANILITY
    The state of existing as or acting like an old woman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    More in lawyer fees then the fines well amount too.
    Then when he wants to get his record expunged in the future if he comes to his senses and is remorseful towards his past behavior? Court cost, lawyer fees, other fees related to expunging record etc... assuming that the judge will grant it.

    i know a few Melstroms in town and in Prescott but not Nathan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wstar425 View Post
    The state of existing as or acting like an old woman

    Do I win a prize?
    You are asking a poor guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Law abider View Post
    Then when he wants to get his record expunged in the future if he comes to his senses and is remorseful towards his past behavior? Court cost, lawyer fees, other fees related to expunging record etc... assuming that the judge will grant it.

    i know a few Melstroms in town and in Prescott but not Nathan.
    Remorseful? Perhaps. This gentleman needs to take responsibility for his actions which is a concept many individuals these days refuse to accept. Whatever the cost, he will deservedly owe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franky View Post
    Remorseful? Perhaps. This gentleman needs to take responsibility for his actions which is a concept many individuals these days refuse to accept. Whatever the cost, he will deservedly owe it.
    I agree. But a change of heart, his rights should be restored. he needs to prove it first like a probation condition for X years, getting help for alcohol abuse and anger. I know a place that will get him help and it is not restorative justice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Law abider View Post
    his rights should be restored.

    Did I miss something here? It looks like he was charged with all misdemeanors, none of them DV related. Why is he going to lose his RTKBA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkbites View Post
    Did I miss something here? It looks like he was charged with all misdemeanors, none of them DV related. Why is he going to lose his RTKBA?
    Indeed. There is no such suggestion in the court documents still.

    I suspect OPie desperately seeking significance with hysterical hyperbole.
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