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    CPZ Shooting at Cincinnati Zoo

    For those not already familiar with the story: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/29...enclosure.html

    Cincinnati Zoo is a posted CPZ: http://cincinnatizoo.org/plan-your-visit/visitor-faq/

    While I don't disagree with how risk to the kid was addressed (and don't really want to head down that rabbit hole here), I'm wondering if the folks who shot the gorilla have been charged with knowingly having firearms in the CPZ. Did the zoo provide this response team with the guns? This certainly demonstrates the need to be armed at the facility and, at the very least, a profound degree of hypocrisy on the part of the zoo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigger View Post
    For those not already familiar with the story: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/29...enclosure.html

    Cincinnati Zoo is a posted CPZ: http://cincinnatizoo.org/plan-your-visit/visitor-faq/

    While I don't disagree with how risk to the kid was addressed (and don't really want to head down that rabbit hole here), I'm wondering if the folks who shot the gorilla have been charged with knowingly having firearms in the CPZ. Did the zoo provide this response team with the guns? This certainly demonstrates the need to be armed at the facility and, at the very least, a profound degree of hypocrisy on the part of the zoo.
    I thought the same thing. The St. Louis Zoo needs to take note.


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    why would you confuse property owner's entitlement to do what they want on & to their property, including requesting, insisting, denying visitors firearms while the visitor is on the private property.

    it is a non~story with an unhappy ending for visitors.

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    I pay $26.36 in taxes per year to the zoo to help fund the operations and major maintenance of the Cincinnati Zoo.* ZOOLOGICAL PARK RATE is .46 mills per year for 5 years, expires tax year 2017. It will be renewed this November.

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    The shooters are zoo employees, part of a "Dangerous Animals Response Team". Yes I hate cheesy acronyms. Such a team is federally mandated by the USDA, which oversees zoo operations. For what it's worth they practice monthly with their firearms, which exceeds most conventional LE agencies.

    Apparently such teams are required in order for the zoos that have certain animals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian D. View Post
    The shooters are zoo employees, part of a "Dangerous Animals Response Team". Yes I hate cheesy acronyms. Such a team is federally mandated by the USDA, which oversees zoo operations. For what it's worth they practice monthly with their firearms, which exceeds most conventional LE agencies.

    Apparently such teams are required in order for the zoos that have certain animals.
    forgive me, but do you have any form of cite to any of the information you just posted regarding mandated by USDA, or participate in month training??

    my research shows the USDA's mandate is responsible for animal & plant 'welfare' from disease and maltreatment or in the case of natural disaster, evacuation.

    https://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_we...0-%20FINAL.pdf

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    https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-20...I-subchapA.xml

    thanks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian D. View Post
    The shooters are zoo employees, part of a "Dangerous Animals Response Team". Yes I hate cheesy acronyms. Such a team is federally mandated by the USDA, which oversees zoo operations. For what it's worth they practice monthly with their firearms, which exceeds most conventional LE agencies.

    Apparently such teams are required in order for the zoos that have certain animals.
    If you have a problem, that no one else can help, and if you can find them...maybe you can hire the DAR Team !

    The monkey should have known all the laws that apply to them....sucks to have this animal killed.
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    No solus, I don't have anything handy to cite from. But in the past have definitely read that the USDA has oversight of zoos, and here in Cincinnati there have been spokespersons from that agency verifying same through multiple media sources.

    As to Cincinnati's DART members practicing monthly with firearms, that is from a longtime friend with the Cincinnati PD who is very well acquainted with DART operations, he's shot with them frequently as he's a "gun guy" himself. Likely, I'd guess, the monthly thing is an agency requirement and not FedGov mandated.

    I do realize that 'cite please' is taken seriously on this forum, and in fact I like its tendency to separate wheat from chaff. If I had a printed source, would be happy to share it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    why would you confuse property owner's entitlement to do what they want on & to their property, including requesting, insisting, denying visitors firearms while the visitor is on the private property.

    it is a non~story with an unhappy ending for visitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Animalou812 View Post
    The Cincinnati Zoo is owned by the city of Cincinnati. It is public property
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    you are right...forgive me, i forgot the city moved the enterprise under their public school system in 1975.

    contimplate that concept...under the public school system...for a moment!!

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    Maybe the Zoo is just being efficient - as a learning institution they can offer schoolkids training and instruction needed to follow the career path of an LPA - Large Primate Assassin.
    Where to place the shot, what round to use, preferred rifle, scope or red-dot, how to field dress, how to market the hormone-free organic meat, as well as is it ethical to get it stuffed?

    This a whole new area of Zoo Management Science to grow from this incident...let alone Zoo crisis/media management. Oh - and the small fact that the Boy is safe - thank goodness.



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    I sought mention of DART at USDA unsuccessfully. The Wikipedia cites no requiring public law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    I sought mention of DART at USDA unsuccessfully. The Wikipedia cites no requiring public law.
    nor do the CFRs cited previously USDA's oversight.

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    Interesting. Virtually all of the local media would have me believe otherwise about DARTs and USDA oversight, etc. But having dealt with media myself a few times, not terribly surprising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian D. View Post
    Interesting. Virtually all of the local media would have me believe otherwise about DARTs and USDA oversight, etc. But having dealt with media myself a few times, not terribly surprising.
    I did some quick digging and it looks like the response team may be more an accreditation requirement https://www.aza.org/accreditation/ I haven't found anything spelled out as of this posting. The closest thing I found so far is

    Potentially Dangerous or Venomous Wildlife.
    Facilities maintaining venomous animals must have an appropriate supply of sera available and policies/procedures in place for the safe handling of those animals. Likewise, procedures must be in place to reduce the risk of injury by potentially dangerous animals. The alarm system and emergency procedures will be closely reviewed by the Visiting Committee.
    (my bold)

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    Quote Originally Posted by willy1094 View Post
    I did some quick digging and it looks like the response team may be more an accreditation requirement https://www.aza.org/accreditation/ I haven't found anything spelled out as of this posting. The closest thing I found so far is (my bold)
    'associations', per se, have no legal standing nor enforcement on absolutely nothing.

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