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    Rep.Alan Grayson claims AR-15s can fire ‘700 rounds in a minute’ after Orlando attack

    “If [Mr. Mateen] was not able to buy a weapon that shoots off 700 rounds in a minute, a lot of those people would still be alive,” the congressman said. “If somebody like him had nothing worse to deal with than a Glock pistol … he might have killed three or four people and not 50. It’s way too easy to kill people in America today, and we have to think long and hard about what to do about that.”
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    “For the new big guy in my first unit back in the ‘70s, naturally I had the distinct honor of ‘humping the pig’ right away. The belt fed M60A1 machine gun had a rate of fire of 650 rounds per minute,” another reader said. “Naturally, when the truth does not tell the story in accordance to an agenda, a handy lie will work.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...fire-700-roun/

    High powered rounds too! There is no end to the depths of their ignorance. Time for universal military service conscription as a condition of franchise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    “If [Mr. Mateen] was not able to buy a weapon that shoots off 700 rounds in a minute, a lot of those people would still be alive,” the congressman said. “If somebody like him had nothing worse to deal with than a Glock pistol … he might have killed three or four people and not 50. It’s way too easy to kill people in America today, and we have to think long and hard about what to do about that.” ...
    I'm selling my AR-15! I can only crank out 600 rounds per minute with the piece of junk!!

    Dirty, rotten, gun manufacturers sold me a bill of goods!


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    But... The Glock that he says kills acceptable amounts of people operates and fires exactly "as fast" as the AR-15...?

    Both semi-auto. Both fire a bullet one time when you pull the trigger...

    Same thing...
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    Scary congressman should be banned. For the children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    “If [Mr. Mateen] was not able to buy a weapon that shoots off 700 rounds in a minute, a lot of those people would still be alive,” the congressman said. --snipped--
    "A semi-automatic like the Bushmaster AR-15 XM15-E2S has a maximum effective rate of fire of 45 rounds per minute, according to its manual."
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    700 rounds per minute, 3 hours before SWAT responds, and "only" ~50 dead? The terrorist was a terrible shot.

    At 180 minutes before any armed response, a guy with a Revolutionary War ere flintlock musket could have shot 50 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB62 View Post
    I'm selling my AR-15! I can only crank out 600 rounds per minute with the piece of junk!!

    Dirty, rotten, gun manufacturers sold me a bill of goods!

    since it is defective...my best offer is a buck three ninety eight.

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    The effectiveness of the AR weapon system is a proven winner. That's the system I want.

    Who can argue about that?

    Lizzurds don't want you to be able to effectively defend yourself while supporting gov't officials being able to.

    Tell a lizzurd "Hey, I want that gun !" when they complain about ARs/other effective guns.


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    f350...you win...hands down...caught me completely unawares with the JPG and now can't stop laughing and chuckling...

    well played sir...

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    Quote Originally Posted by utbagpiper View Post
    700 rounds per minute, 3 hours before SWAT responds, and "only" ~50 dead? The terrorist was a terrible shot.

    At 180 minutes before any armed response, a guy with a Revolutionary War ere flintlock musket could have shot 50 times.

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    the response was immediate.

    he was engaged by an off-duty officer prior to entry into the building.

    and police officers returned fire as he took hostages into the bathroom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer6 View Post
    the response was immediate.

    he was engaged by an off-duty officer prior to entry into the building.

    and police officers returned fire as he took hostages into the bathroom.
    When did he murder the 49 victims?

    Timelines on these kinds of events often take a little while to come to full light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB62 View Post
    I'm selling my AR-15! I can only crank out 600 rounds per minute with the piece of junk!!

    Dirty, rotten, gun manufacturers sold me a bill of goods!

    You did not get the bayonet attachment that can kill 1000 people before requiring to be reloaded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by utbagpiper View Post
    When did he murder the 49 victims?

    Timelines on these kinds of events often take a little while to come to full light.

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    he was inside for 3 hours...i'm sure that's plenty of time.

    shots were heard at 2am on a snapchat video from someone inside.

    panic ensues....over 350 rush to escape a building that is dark and they aren't familiar with layout.

    someone holds the door shut so people can't leave.

    multiple witnesses say there was more than one shooter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer6 View Post
    he was inside for 3 hours...i'm sure that's plenty of time.

    shots were heard at 2am on a snapchat video from someone inside.

    panic ensues....over 350 rush to escape a building that is dark and they aren't familiar with layout.

    someone holds the door shut so people can't leave.

    multiple witnesses say there was more than one shooter.
    Waiting for confirmation on that. A conspiracy?

    Arrest imminent? Manhunt/womanhunt in progress?
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    Authorities expect to make arrest in Pulse nightclub mass shooting case

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    Waiting for confirmation on that. A conspiracy? Arrest imminent? Manhunt/womanhunt in progress?
    Investigators looking into Sunday’s horrific Pulse nightclub shooting are saying they are “expecting” to make an arrest in the case but are being tight lipped about who, why, or how a suspect could be connected to the slayings.

    The Pulse nightclub shooter, Omar Mateen, 29, was killed in a shootout with police, but not before killing 49 people and injuring 53 at the club Sunday.

    Authorities have said the individual, or individuals, they are investigating do not pose an imminent threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by utbagpiper View Post
    Timelines on these kinds of events often take a little while to come to full light.
    It takes a while to organize a good story to make them look like heros, which isn't contra-indicated by the evidence. With only one entity allowed to examine the evidence, I never believe what they have to say. Why keep it all secret? Oversight forbidden?

    Witnesses agree, the cops hung around outside while he took hostages and killed people for 3 hours.

    I guess, after much orchestration, an "official report" will erase that?
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