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    Avoiding chk-pt not RAS ... feigning interest in veggie stand? Welll now that's dif.

    http://fourthamendment.com/?p=23020

    Total retardation .... guy avoids roadblock, drives into veggie stand area (feigning interest) and this creates RAS.

    WFT is going on in this country?

    Oiling up my gats ....

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    might as well make it official and repeal the 4th. It's damn near gone anyway
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    The case is clear, you have no rights if you are within 100 miles of the border. Thank you United States Supreme Court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    http://fourthamendment.com/?p=23020

    Total retardation .... guy avoids roadblock, drives into veggie stand area (feigning interest) and this creates RAS.
    Ahem, ".... While the avoidance of the checkpoint isn’t reasonable suspicion, the feigning interest in the vegetable stand and the blanket covering something was reasonable suspicion."


    I'm left wondering "reasonable suspicion" of what crime, exactly? Arson? Burglary? Child endangerment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallschirmjäger View Post
    Ahem, ".... While the avoidance of the checkpoint isn’t reasonable suspicion, the feigning interest in the vegetable stand and the blanket covering something was reasonable suspicion."


    I'm left wondering "reasonable suspicion" of what crime, exactly? Arson? Burglary? Child endangerment?
    Here, read the decision.
    http://cases.justia.com/federal/appe...?ts=1468936807
    But, before you read the opinion make sure you take your blood pressure pill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallschirmjäger View Post
    Ahem, ".... While the avoidance of the checkpoint isn’t reasonable suspicion, the feigning interest in the vegetable stand and the blanket covering something was reasonable suspicion."


    I'm left wondering "reasonable suspicion" of what crime, exactly? Arson? Burglary? Child endangerment?
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    ACLU on CBP 100 mile zone, fact sheet

    Attempting to cross the 100 mile wide Constitution-free zone adjacent to the US-Canadian border with 145# of marijuana.

    https://www.aclu.org/aclu-factsheet-...-100-mile-zone

    OK now, let's all hear the ignoranuses boo the ACLU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Attempting to cross the 100 mile wide Constitution-free zone adjacent to the US-Canadian border with 145# of marijuana.

    https://www.aclu.org/aclu-factsheet-...-100-mile-zone

    OK now, let's all hear the ignoranuses boo the ACLU.
    You know that all these cases involve "bad guys". 145 lbs of weed? Who cares?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    You know that all these cases involve "bad guys". 145 lbs of weed? Who cares?
    My confusion is this.....In the write up I see 145 lbs, charges for > 100 Kg later dropped during plea deal, conviction for > 50 Kg, and finally near the end of the linked case before the 2nd district US court of 503 lbs..... So just how much pot was there. 145lbs is NOT anywhere near >100 Kg and is certainly NOT 503 lbs which just happens to be 228.63 Kg. I am just completely flummoxed..... was it magic pot that could increase or decrease its own mass depending upon when, where, and who was conducting the evaluation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    You know that all these cases involve "bad guys". 145 lbs of weed? Who cares?
    CBP! Try it, and put us all out of your misery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    My confusion is this.....In the write up I see 145 lbs, charges for > 100 Kg later dropped during plea deal, conviction for > 50 Kg, and finally near the end of the linked case before the 2nd district US court of 503 lbs..... So just how much pot was there. 145lbs is NOT anywhere near >100 Kg and is certainly NOT 503 lbs which just happens to be 228.63 Kg. I am just completely flummoxed..... was it magic pot that could increase or decrease its own mass depending upon when, where, and who was conducting the evaluation?
    no the BG snitched and gave someone up and/or turned state's evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightmare View Post
    cbp! Try it, and put us all out of your misery.
    ?cpb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    ?cpb?
    might wish to check out urban dictionary...er, uh, not trying to start nuth'...ya know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    might wish to check out urban dictionary...er, uh, not trying to start nuth'...ya know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    My confusion is this.....In the write up I see 145 lbs, charges for > 100 Kg later dropped during plea deal, conviction for > 50 Kg, and finally near the end of the linked case before the 2nd district US court of 503 lbs..... So just how much pot was there. 145lbs is NOT anywhere near >100 Kg and is certainly NOT 503 lbs which just happens to be 228.63 Kg. I am just completely flummoxed..... was it magic pot that could increase or decrease its own mass depending upon when, where, and who was conducting the evaluation?
    (Disclosure: I do not support the use of marihuana. I think using pot is a bad idea. However!! I think it is a worse idea to empower government to cage human beings for using it.)

    Magic pot? Ahahahahhahahaahaaa!! Of course, pot is magic! Man, you hit the nail on the head! Why, didn't you know pot induces blacks to rape white women (see the early advocacy against pot)!? It is a magic herb! Its powers to destroy are mythical! It is bad, bad, bad. That is why there must be a zillion local, state, and federal laws against it, empowering police to seize and search people on the mere suspicion they might actually possess some tiny amount of this magically destructive substance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeroHog View Post
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    herohog...really, you posted such a misrepresentation and is quite a disappointment...

    quote: The rate of absolutely zero deaths from a marijuana overdose remained steady from last year, according to figures released this month by the Centers for Disease Control. unquote http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b06fa68880a217

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    herohog...really, you posted such a misrepresentation and is quite a disappointment...

    quote: The rate of absolutely zero deaths from a marijuana overdose remained steady from last year, according to figures released this month by the Centers for Disease Control. unquote http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b06fa68880a217

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    Those not toking a doobie recognized the joke. ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeroHog View Post
    Those not toking a doobie recognized the joke. ;-)
    I am sure the friends, caregivers, and relatives of the nearly half a million people who have died from drug overdoses between 2000 and 2014 might have a different perspective.

    just a tad different perspective of a loved one...

    just saying

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    turned off all the sound to try to hear those mourning laughing at the joke made at their expense.
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    I apologize to all those who lost friends and family due to marijuana overdoses. I did not make light of an actual issue that has actually, as you pointed out, ever affected anyone.
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    Off Topic, but following the current discussion:
    Checking the daily news, it seems most victims of weed seem to die from "Lead Poisoning".
    Baltimore has already had 166 homicides this year.
    Not ALL drug related, I'm sure.......... but.
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    A lot of police involvement mixed in I would guess as well not to even bring up taxpayer expense and court time and jail space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallschirmjäger View Post
    Ahem, ".... While the avoidance of the checkpoint isn’t reasonable suspicion, the feigning interest in the vegetable stand and the blanket covering something was reasonable suspicion."


    I'm left wondering "reasonable suspicion" of what crime, exactly? Arson? Burglary? Child endangerment?
    Stealing red peppers from and unmanned stand.. But really!

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryclubjoe View Post
    Stealing red peppers from and unmanned stand.. But really!

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    Stealing? I have seen unmanned veggie/fruit stands with an honor system payment box!--- just sayin'
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