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    Citizens group seeking CCL and FOID holders with Cops turning down OT

    http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/wit...-on-labor-day/

    A coalition of community organizers are asking residents to help protect their own neighborhoods on Labor Day in response to the police union’s call for officers to refuse overtime work during the historically deadly weekend.
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    The Community Peace Surge is “actively recruiting” people with concealed-carry licenses and FOID cards, Harris said.

    “If nothing else, you can stand in your yard,” he said. “It’s lawful for you to stand on your property and protect your property and patrol your property.”
    This could be great or very, very bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeSchaine View Post
    http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/wit...-on-labor-day/

    This could be great or very, very bad.
    comme ci comme ça

    can it truly get any worse?
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    Overtime is prima facie bad management.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Overtime is prima facie bad management.
    Ahh so - some employers avoid overtime rates by classifying the employee improperly as 'management.'

    Certain organizations credit overtime, but require that it be taken as leave at straight time reduction, but utilized only when authorized. After adding an expiration date and not authorizing, the overtime is lost.

    Then there are industries that use the piece work system of pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Overtime is prima facie bad management.
    Got anything beyond emphatic assertion?

    My industry is subject to surges and lulls in work. Many competitors will hire to fill any short term surge, and then lay off as soon as the surge ends.

    In contrast, in my office, we deliberately aim for 10% over-time on average. We can surge to 25% overtime for short efforts when needed (10 hour work days, 5 days a week are not terrible for a short period). We can also sustain a ~10% drop in work load without ever having to consider downsizing.

    In raw terms, with 100 guys working at 44 hours a week each as the norm, we can handle work loads that require between 100 and 125 full time equivalents without having to hire anyone new or fire anyone currently with us as work load rises or falls over the course of a year.

    The use of overtime provides significantly increased job security over hiring to fill short term surges. It also saves a lot of expense that otherwise goes into the hiring, training, and firing process.

    The option for modest amounts of overtime also enable the employee to increase his pay if he desires. A 10% or 15% pay raise is not a bad thing for most folks. And since the base "overhead" cost of an employee (insurance, desk, lights, etc) is often a significant portion of total cost of employment, it can be cost effective for an employer to pay some modest overtime, rather than hiring additional employees.

    Proper use of overtime is one of the most important things to manage.

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    sorry mate, obviously you are not a cost center manager overseeing budgets or actively pursuing new business w/appropriate bids.
    as your aerospace organizational business model is based on bid'g on customer's projects using professional 'loaded/burdened' rate-hours (average emp salary plus fica, insurance, for 1800/man hour per year) per cost center e.g., engineers broken down into category of eng, sw, hw, sys, as well as hf, and so forth.

    then organzational overhead is added to cumulative cost center totals to cover mgmt., support, qa/ma, ehs, etc., PLUS profit margin for a total project bid to the customer.

    normally, the only folk who get overtime are trades-welders, electronic technicians, s/h and if the contract wasnt bid with the burden it doesn't happen.

    salaried work professional work weeks ~ till the job is done, even if it is 50+/week. if the project is that boogered up the business enity submits chg orders to the original contract for more funding from the customer.

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    Overtime is typically a indication that a schedule (date of delivery) is at risk. The reasons that create the risk are many and not always under the control of management. As a rule overtime is not desired because it is usually a unplanned cost that impacts profits directly.
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    It's not a big secret that general foremen and labor managers in many places get kickbacks from the union for arranging things so that overtime becomes urgently necessary...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Overtime is prima facie bad management.
    Quote Originally Posted by utbagpiper View Post
    Got anything beyond emphatic assertion?
    I see no emphasis in my assertion. I see object, subject, verb and predicates, a perfect minimalist sentence. It is not YOUR prolix puke on your keyboard hoping something, anything, sticks.
    I am responsible for my writing, not your understanding of it.

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    Has this thread run its natural full course with no more on topic replies?

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