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    More po po body cams = more deaths? Study suggests so

    http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2016/08/12/...ooting-deaths/

    I'm sure that the scholars are fine people .. I just find it hard to believe that the data is out there to complete such a study.

    But its out there, others may have different opinions on the veracity of the study...happy to hear them.

    I may contact the authors to discuss further. I am not a big proponent of body cameras to begin with, even before this study.

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    Not scholars, WaPo.

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    Tomorrow a study will show otherwise.

    Body cams have not been in use long enough to result in any definitive conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by color of law View Post
    Tomorrow a study will show otherwise.

    Body cams have not been in use long enough to result in any definitive conclusion.
    Force Science Institute - Force Science News #317 is attempting to address this problem to some degree.
    http://www.forcescience.org/

    Body Cameras & Other Recordings in Law Enforcement: Critical Force Science Issues Impacting Investigations, Policy, and Incident Analysis
    Date: SEPTEMBER 22-23, 2016
    Location: Force Science Training Center, Chicago


    Last edited by Grapeshot; 08-13-2016 at 09:33 PM. Reason: added
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Force Science Institute - Force Science News #317 is attempting to address this problem to some degree.
    http://www.forcescience.org/

    Body Cameras & Other Recordings in Law Enforcement: Critical Force Science Issues Impacting Investigations, Policy, and Incident Analysis
    Date: SEPTEMBER 22-23, 2016
    Location: Force Science Training Center, Chicago


    Tuition:
    $1,500 per student

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Tuition:
    $1,500 per student
    and you must be LE w/agency!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Force Science Institute - Force Science News #317 is attempting to address this problem to some degree.
    http://www.forcescience.org/

    Body Cameras & Other Recordings in Law Enforcement: Critical Force Science Issues Impacting Investigations, Policy, and Incident Analysis

    Date: SEPTEMBER 22-23, 2016

    Location: Force Science Training Center, Chicago
    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Tuition:
    $1,500 per student
    Incorrect - $495 per student

    http://www.forcescience.org/cameracourse.html

    Davidmcbeth was only off by 300%
    Last edited by Grapeshot; 08-14-2016 at 10:02 AM. Reason: added
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Interesting confusion of interests, EMT/LEO with body cam

    I recently witnessed an interesting confusion of interests. In an auditorium with 300 people, a man fell heavily. 911 was called and the on-duty cop responded as EMS shift leader. My interest was piqued when I watched the cop going through the man's wallet.

    Does one surrender one's Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights in exchange for first aid? Can the EMT/LEO claim HIPAA exception to an FOIA demand for body cam video for instance?

    Later I quizzed an EMT from a different shift and she was unable to admit ignorance, dancing around HIPAA rather than saying that she did not know the detail about which I was inquiring. As it happened, another audience member was an ER MD and he reduced the victim's dislocated Dx shoulder on the scene.

    I am just recently carrying a video capable smartphone that I trust and again did not think of video until too late. I am just starting to investigate MeWe's video capabilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Incorrect - $495 per student

    http://www.forcescience.org/cameracourse.html

    Davidmcbeth was only off by 300%
    Mine was a copy/paste ... so that is there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Incorrect - $495 per student

    http://www.forcescience.org/cameracourse.html

    Davidmcbeth was only off by 300%

    Grape, if the good mcbeth followed your original posted link, http://www.forcescience.org/ and did not do due diligence and toddle over to # 317, but instead looked down saw Sept & clicked on FSI's advertised 4 day certification course offered in Sept in Scottsdale AZ, he discovered the course tuition was $1500 vice the second link you just posted directly to FSI's Sept camera course.

    you might rap & tap your abacus on the table as i think you have a marker or two stuck...33%

    ( i know, i know, the beatings for speaking out will commence momentarily...!! ~ but they feel sooooo good as they hurt soooooo long , er, uh, sorry outside voice)

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Mine was a copy/paste ... so that is there.
    You copied and pasted information from the wrong course.

    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
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    you might rap & tap your abacus on the table as i think you have a marker or two stuck...33%
    A) - $495 X 3 = $1485 or $1500 when rounded up = 300% overstated.

    B) - $1500 in reply vs $495 actual = 33% of amount in his reply.

    Which selected depends on one's POV.

    I prefer choice "A" as IMO it more dramatically shows the divergence between fact and false.

    That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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