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    "No one allowed out of the mall." ??

    I have to wonder by what authority. Such action would seem to be highly illegal IMHO.
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    Shoppers described chaos after a series of popping sounds just after 2:30 p.m.
    Read more at http://www.wral.com/police-gunshots-...ZrGDIqt5LTu.99


    Someone eating those Pop Rocks again? Nobody move !

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    well, after hundreds of shoppers were evacuated by police and directed across the street to the Marriott hotel where they were left outside for hours in 90+ 75% humidity and as the news reported casually...told they couldn't leave.

    video showing large black man dancing has the 'sounds' everyone excited about and are calling 'sounds of gunfire'
    http://abc11.com/news/police-no-susp...kdown/1468724/

    mall cams not released

    at least a hundred LEs, armed to the hilt w/vests and long rifles, swarmed the mall have not found any casings or other evidence of a shooting.

    what i find interesting the entire mall's 'campus police' are BLET accredited sworn officers with arrest powers and normally armed w/minimum sidearms. ND by one of those?

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    good Samaritan showed up dressed in camo w/his long rifle to 'help police' during the mall situation...

    seems the police didn't want his help...what so ever as shown in the photo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
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    what i find interesting the entire mall's 'campus police' are BLET accredited sworn officers with arrest powers and normally armed w/minimum sidearms. ND by one of those?

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    (An) ND by one of those = singular shot. There were multiple sounds heard.

    Could it have been that someone threw firecrackers or used an amplified recording to simulate the sound of gunfire?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    (An) ND by one of those = singular shot. There were multiple sounds heard.

    Could it have been that someone threw firecrackers or used an amplified recording to simulate the sound of gunfire?
    the video only presents one sound not multiple

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    the video only presents one sound not multiple

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    Well there would be damage somewhere in the mall from gunshots, nothing has been said about property damage. Seems that LE may have over reacted to either fireworks or sound system.

    My problem is with muzzle sweeping hundreds of people, which normally bring out the Fudds, and forcing people into the heat, and humidity for hours. I do not believe they had the authority to do that. But if they did there were better options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    good Samaritan showed up dressed in camo w/his long rifle to 'help police' during the mall situation...

    seems the police didn't want his help...what so ever as shown in the photo...

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    Source of article, info, pics? Citation please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Va_Nemo View Post
    Source of article, info, pics? Citation please.

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    uh, hummm, did you miss post five's fotos i posted.

    seems ABC11 (link in my preceding post on the initial subject matter) changed their story and deleted the commentary on camo dressed LG carrying individual who showed up to assist the police.

    however, al gore's invention is alive and well and several keystrokes later, lo and behold: http://wncn.com/2016/08/13/armed-man...witnesses-say/

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    Saw the video of the gun shot sound. That clearly was something banged, or dropped. I suspect someone kicked one of the vending machines.

    Good lord, these people should stay away from trains, and docks. Shame on Raleigh police for their over reaction.
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    wncn evening news stated the police cannot find any evidence of shots fired and have no idea what caused the loud noise mistaken by some as a gun shot.

    eight injuried during chaotic departure by patrons..
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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    wncn evening news stated the police cannot find any evidence of shots fired and have no idea what caused the loud noise mistaken by some as a gun shot.

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    I am pretty sure it was one of the vending machines. I have heard that sound before when people get ticked, and kick them. That was not the crack of a small bore pistol, or the boom of a larger bore pistol, not even close. That was a thud.

    Considering they found no victims, no property damage, they look like Keystone Kops. Until a shooting is confirmed, they do not need 100 officers, and probably not even if there was an actual shooting. Poor use of resources, danger to civilians in the hot afternoon heat, plus real criminals will probably pick up on this.

    Want to rob a bank? Have somebody go kick a vending machine in the mall, no police left to respond to a bank alarm.
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    Make all cops as exempt employees w/o OT and these things will go away.

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    while authorities are still extolling no evidence of shots fired exists, WRAL news today states, quote: Sources told WRAL News that there appeared to be two bullet holes in the ceiling inside the mall.
    Antonio Richardson said he was standing at the entrance of Casanova, a clothing store near the mall food court, when he saw two men who appeared to be in their early 20s arguing. As he was running away, he says he heard as many as four shots in all. As police went store to store to clear the mall, shoppers waited in the hot sun for permission to leave and access to their cars. unquote
    http://www.wral.com/police-gunshots-...tody/15926525/

    WITN's perspective, quote: William Byland, the assistant principal at Havelock High School, tells WITN he was inside the mall at the Gap store with his wife when he heard a "popping sound" this afternoon.
    "We were in Gap standing in line," Byland says. "I heard a popping sound and then a sound like heavy wet cardboard hitting the ground on the floor beneath us. unquote.
    http://www.witn.com/content/news/Ral...390082812.html

    thinking out loud for a moment ~ could this have been a staged training scenario as the nice LEs arrived rather quickly and dressed ~ just thinking out loud mind you!!

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    No shell casings found?

    Aaah, revolvers don't spit out empty shell casings the last time I checked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    No shell casings found?

    Aaah, revolvers don't spit out empty shell casings the last time I checked.
    surely, the nice investigators are aware of that...wouldn't they be...shouldn't they?

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    quote: On Monday, ABC11 spoke with a Fayetteville man who was at Crabtree on Saturday and said he saw a man with a gun. Investigators have interviewed him. He said they told him that the gunman he and others saw was a man with a conceal-carry permit who pulled his weapon after hearing the noises. It appeared police may have found the man with a gun and talked to him. unquote.

    http://abc11.com/news/questions-rema...btree/1469672/

    now that's what i would do in a mall, hear noise(s), draw my firearm, and....?

    but the nice investigating LEs didn't see said individual w/drawn firearm on the cams which have been described and seeing every square inch of the interior.

    the smell from crabtree mall is getting strong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    good Samaritan showed up dressed in camo w/his long rifle to 'help police' during the mall situation...

    seems the police didn't want his help...what so ever as shown in the photo...

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    Psych ward for these "good Samaritans". Honestly, is there a single floating and functioning brain cell in the vast gassiest space between his ears?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    No shell casings found?

    Aaah, revolvers don't spit out empty shell casings the last time I checked.
    Fox News might know the answer to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Va_Nemo View Post
    Source of article, info, pics? Citation please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    uh, hummm, did you miss post five's fotos i posted.

    seems ABC11 (link in my preceding post on the initial subject matter) changed their story and deleted the commentary on camo dressed LG carrying individual who showed up to assist the police.

    however, al gore's invention is alive and well and several keystrokes later, lo and behold: http://wncn.com/2016/08/13/armed-man...witnesses-say/

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    I saw those pics you posted. I was not asking for pics. You had those there. But no citation. Thats why I was asking for the source of pics. Along with the source for the rest of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    No shell casings found?

    Aaah, revolvers don't spit out empty shell casings the last time I checked.
    That's why when I fired by revolver clip I could not put more bullets into its magazine.

    Any idea on a fix Grape? May need a gun smith ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    quote: On Monday, ABC11 spoke with a Fayetteville man who was at Crabtree on Saturday and said he saw a man with a gun. Investigators have interviewed him. He said they told him that the gunman he and others saw was a man with a conceal-carry permit who pulled his weapon after hearing the noises. It appeared police may have found the man with a gun and talked to him. unquote.

    http://abc11.com/news/questions-rema...btree/1469672/

    now that's what i would do in a mall, hear noise(s), draw my firearm, and....?

    but the nice investigating LEs didn't see said individual w/drawn firearm on the cams which have been described and seeing every square inch of the interior.

    the smell from crabtree mall is getting strong...

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    I might be wrong but I believe Crabtree is posted on the mall doors, though it is not the traditional gun buster sign. Instead it is a small black on the darkened windows, if it is like CrossCreek Mall. I think they are run by the same corporation.
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    Solus' pics

    These photos were taken from the mall side at the intersection of Creedmore and the Macy's/Arhaus entrance. The building across the street is AtlanticBT.

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