can police enforce lawful actions unlawfully?

davidmcbeth said:

Once you explain what you are talking about, maybe.

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Nightmare said:

In the DISQUS forum discussion on the topic, I related that I was "in the Sixties a Northern California County Fire Control Technician, and we had no problems documenting the order and the offer of assistance and then walking away, looking for someone that would accept our offer."

I was paid by the County Health Department as a medical technician entomologist and I mostly smeared feces looking for worms, larvae, and eggs. It's a long way from that to a nuclear engineer qualified to direct strategic asset power plant testing operations.

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solus said:

the national news this evening showed the CA forest service head hocho stating...if we tell you to evacuate YOU will!

wondered about the legality of the statement then, but now in light of nightmare's statement...

hummmm!

ipse

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Nightmare said:

I was threatened with "disobeying a lawful order," so I searched for just what is a lawful/unlawful order in my state. In a word, unless there is a statute addressing the order/circumstances, any order by a cop is lawful.

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hammer6 said:

are you guys mocking me?

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solus said:

the national news this evening showed the CA forest service head hocho stating...if we tell you to evacuate YOU will!

wondered about the legality of the statement then, but now in light of nightmare's statement...

hummmm!

ipse

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hammer6 said:

if there's no law, then can an officer make a lawful order? like in the video- there's no law for him to enforce, so he has to make one up.

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davidmcbeth said:

Well, I have been told that I've made up laws...like our RKBA, freedom of speech, etc..I still go by what I see as the law.

? you need to research is this: when the guy does so, is he acting within the scope of his employment?

Different states have different rules. I can only tell you relating to two : in Illinois: yes in Utah: likely not.

I do not see your query as limited to just one state....

Outside scope of employment, unquestionably outside of any immunity. Inside scope of employment...gets more complicated.

Your post is a good one....but you need to be more specific and try to do some research before posting. All the responses could be from people who just finished off a case of PRB for all you know..so don't take anything as gospel.

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Nightmare said:

Are you a snowflake, hypersensitive to offense?

True, I did not and will not watch a blind video link, that's why I did not link my comment to your OP.

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hammer6 said:

yes.


and you should watch the video. it's a group of about 5-6 guys protesting peacefully outside the UN in NYC. they are told that according to a federal court order, they couldn't be there. the guy asks to see the court order, and the cop doesn't have it with him.

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davidmcbeth said:

FYI ... you can place people on an "ignore list" ....

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Nightmare said:

How prescient was I. I am not interested. I am not likely to be interested in anything on video, or in any explanatory narrative.

You must understand and appreciate the Narrative Fallacy. In text and dialogue each point presented in a well constructed sentence can be examined before going on to the next - or not. The narrative is the witch doctor's tool requiring suspension of skepticism and disbelief to get to the punch line. There is so much to read and so little time.

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Nightmare said:

I was threatened with "disobeying a lawful order," so I searched for just what is a lawful/unlawful order in my state. In a word, unless there is a statute addressing the order/circumstances, any order by a cop is lawful.

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