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    My thanks to those states

    All,

    Once again, my personal thanks to all of the states that allowed me to open carry my sidearm during this year's annual motorcycle trek out west.

    Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, Nebraska, Missouri, Kansas, Iowa, the Dakotas, Wyoming, Montana.

    We did have to "disarm" running through the southern part of Illinois for a short time, but the rest was just perfect.

    Talked with a few LEO's in Nebraska and South Dakota. No problems, of course.

    All restaurants, motels, camp sites, fast food places, various stores, gas stations, plazas and generally everywhere you go in a normal day. Not a single problem.

    As open carry has been my choice for daily carry for over 6 years now, I always find it refreshing not to need an "excuse" to open carry, as we do in Florida. Luckily the excuse needed is always in play for me, so from the moment I left the house until I returned a week or so later, it was a good open carry vacation!

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    Thanks, master? hmmmm

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    Success (and good laws) breeds more success (and more good laws).

    Every State that passed shall issue permits made it that much easier for citizens in other States to move from discriminatory to non-discriminatory permits.

    Every State that has passed permit-free CC is making it that much easier for other States to follow suite. What was once the odd nature of one, lone, rural New England State, was then also possible in Alaska and Arizona. Today, we've got upwards of 10 States with some form of permit free CC.

    Every State that provides for permit holders (including teachers) to carry into schools makes it that much easier for citizens in other States to get similar laws passed.

    Every State that respects OC makes it that much easier for citizens in other States to get anti-OC laws rolled back.

    Blazing a new trail can be difficult. It is often much easier to follow in the footsteps others have laid down. "See, these other States do this and it doesn't result in higher crime or other problems."

    If every State would adopt the good gun laws of other States, we'd quickly find ourselves much closer to the desired goal of full social and statutory respect for our RKBA.

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    Allow? Okay slave I will allow you to shine my boots.

    Thank you government for following the law and recognizing our rights


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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Thanks, master? hmmmm
    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Allow? Okay slave I will allow you to shine my boots.

    Thank you government for following the law and recognizing our rights
    Certainly among the great minds of this site, there is much more productive uses for our energies than criticizing someone over word choice in a case such as this.

    There is nothing wrong with thanking people (or government entities) for doing the right thing. Do you object when your employer thanks you for a job well done? Is it not your job to do your job well? Isn't that why you are paid? And yet, a "thank you" from time to time is not at all out of line when you do a good job.

    The difference between "allowing me to OC" and "properly respecting my right to OC" can certainly be pointed out to one of our own in less snarky, condescending ways.

    There are plenty of gun haters who will criticize, attack, and look for any possibly weakness to exploit. Do we really want to do that to each other? Would you take such a tone in person with a known friend and ally? Or any other armed man? Or is it merely the anonymity of the medium that encourages and permits such poor manners?

    An armed society is supposed to be a polite society, we might remember.

    Charles
    All experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. Thank heaven we do not permit a few to impose anarchy.

    "With Anarchy as an aim and as a means, Communism becomes possible."
    --Marxist.org

    "Communism and Anarchy [are], a necessary complement to one another. "
    --PETER KROPOTKIN, "Anarchism: its philosophy and ideal." 1898.

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    quote: “An armed society is a polite society” sounds cute. It sounds witty and cool. It impresses all the gun enthusiasts on the bulletin boards. It makes for a great t-shirt to wear at the gun show. But it’s just not true...

    If anything, the saying is backwards. Being “polite”—having a shared set of values that includes placing a high value on peaceful civic discourse—is a necessary pre-condition for the arming of a society. Arms in a “polite” society remain the tools of good citizens to defend themselves against bad ones. But arming a society without those shared values is a recipe for chaos, for violence for, well, Somalia, Beirut, Pakistan et al.

    Which, despite liberalized access to concealed carry weapon (CCW) permits in 40 states, is not an “armed society” in any Heinleinian sense. But doesn’t that Heinlein aphorism say otherwise? Doesn’t it imply, at least on its face, that the whole reason an armed society is a polite society is that in an armed society, the penalty for “impoliteness” might be summary execution? unquote.
    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...olite-society/

    it is a shame educated individuals still believe this Heinlein quote is the panacea for perceived or real firearm difficulties in our society. to continue to be the purveyors of this big lie propaganda technique does nothing to advance firearm programs and therefore wish everyone would stop spreading the BS. this is especially true since society can't even discern on what polite means towards their fellow citizen.

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    The context was a 1942 Sci-fi novel!

    Well, in the first place an armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. For me, politeness is a sine qua non of civilization. That’s a personal evaluation only. But gunfighting has a strong biological use. We do not have enough things to kill off the weak and the stupid these days. But to stay alive as an armed citizen a man has to be either quick with his wits or with his hands, preferably both. It’s a good thing.
    Beyond This Horizon, Chapter 15, “Probably a blind alley—”, p. 147
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    Good people ought to be armed as they will, with wits and guns and the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by utbagpiper View Post
    Certainly among the great minds of this site, there is much more productive uses for our energies than criticizing someone over word choice in a case such as this.

    There is nothing wrong with thanking people (or government entities) for doing the right thing. Do you object when your employer thanks you for a job well done? Is it not your job to do your job well? Isn't that why you are paid? And yet, a "thank you" from time to time is not at all out of line when you do a good job.

    The difference between "allowing me to OC" and "properly respecting my right to OC" can certainly be pointed out to one of our own in less snarky, condescending ways.

    There are plenty of gun haters who will criticize, attack, and look for any possibly weakness to exploit. Do we really want to do that to each other? Would you take such a tone in person with a known friend and ally? Or any other armed man? Or is it merely the anonymity of the medium that encourages and permits such poor manners?

    An armed society is supposed to be a polite society, we might remember.

    Charles
    Words have meaning. The way you use words changes the way you think. The use of words shows they way you think. That is why in the book, "1984," they were trying to reduce the language. Language changes the way you think. This is why people of different languages think differently.

    So to maintain liberty, you must change the way you speak and use words.

    Thus my attack of a misuse of words. Thus my response. Thank you, my employee, for allowing me to do the right thing? You defend this? Why? The police are our employees and yet you would allow the general public to behave as though they are slaves to the police.

    No wonder we bump heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADulay View Post
    All,

    Once again, my personal thanks to all of the states that allowed me to open carry my sidearm during this year's annual motorcycle trek out west.

    Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, Nebraska, Missouri, Kansas, Iowa, the Dakotas, Wyoming, Montana.


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    All,

    As much as I hate "bumping" a thread, I figured it was better to reply here than to make another new thread.

    Once again the annual motorcycle run "out west" went perfectly. Open carrying full time, every day with ZERO problems, including the traffic stop in KY. My OC sidearm was never even part of the conversation and once I explained the reason for the odd looking action on the motorcycle (the reason he U-turned on the interstate to come back to me) everything turned out just fine.

    No request for any ID of any sort and a good engagement with law enforcement.

    As for regular people during the trip. It's like always. NOBODY cares or if they did, they just went back to their phones or food.

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