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    The Antis Tip Their Hand - Totally Ignorant - Zero Facts - All Emotion

    The antis are quite literally, totally ignorant on the subject. For them, it's all about emotions, not facts:

    "Political commentator and comedian Steven Crowder wanted to see how much those calling for "common sense gun control" actually know about firearms. To do so, he set up a tent for the "Citizens Coalition for Common Sense Gun Reform" and asked his fellow concerned citizens about what types of guns the government should ban and why.

    "What he learned: ALMOST NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT GUNS and all of their reasons behind which guns should be banned and which should be allowed are based off of how guns make them feel, not what they are actually capable of."

    "Crowder asks Common Sensers to decide on a "sliding scale" which of the guns he is displaying should be banned and which should be allowed. The "experts" it turns out are utterly superficial in what weapons they believe the government should confiscate: If it was metallic and wood, people were fine with it. If it was black and "tactical looking," they wanted the government to ban it."

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    Here's another beauty: "When Crowder makes the absurd claim that the AR-15 is used in upwards of "99.4% of mass shootings," most of the participants accept that statistic as true. In fact, only 3% of all criminal uses of guns actually involve rifles of any kind." I find this an abundantly clear indication of just how incredibly and grossly distorted mainstream media reporting really is on the use and misuse of firearms here in these United States.
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    But also, you only see the video that they want you to see....

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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    The antis are quite literally, totally ignorant on the subject. For them, it's all about emotions, not facts:

    "Political commentator and comedian Steven Crowder wanted to see how much those calling for "common sense gun control" actually know about firearms. To do so, he set up a tent for the "Citizens Coalition for Common Sense Gun Reform" and asked his fellow concerned citizens about what types of guns the government should ban and why.

    "What he learned: ALMOST NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT GUNS and all of their reasons behind which guns should be banned and which should be allowed are based off of how guns make them feel, not what they are actually capable of."

    "Crowder asks Common Sensers to decide on a "sliding scale" which of the guns he is displaying should be banned and which should be allowed. The "experts" it turns out are utterly superficial in what weapons they believe the government should confiscate: If it was metallic and wood, people were fine with it. If it was black and "tactical looking," they wanted the government to ban it."

    Linky.

    Here's another beauty: "When Crowder makes the absurd claim that the AR-15 is used in upwards of "99.4% of mass shootings," most of the participants accept that statistic as true. In fact, only 3% of all criminal uses of guns actually involve rifles of any kind." I find this an abundantly clear indication of just how incredibly and grossly distorted mainstream media reporting really is on the use and misuse of firearms here in these United States.
    I find it an indictment of the irrationality of too many with who I share this piece of North America. Mark Twain wrote a cogent piece on this subject. Corn Pone Opinions. It is definitely worth reading. Even if you disagree, you'll get a chuckle out of the first part of the piece. Here's the link. And, do slip in just to enjoy the classic humor of Mark Twain in the first couple paragraphs, even if you don't read the rest.

    http://www.paulgraham.com/cornpone.html
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    From the link
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    I watched the video earlier and, quite frankly, I wish I had back the 15 minutes or so it took to do so. Although Crowder does do some decent stuff, this was not among it. Making ignorant, clueless hoplophobes look like ignorant, clueless hoplophobes is an easy task.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    I find it an indictment of the irrationality of too many with who I share this piece of North America. Mark Twain wrote a cogent piece on this subject. Corn Pone Opinions. It is definitely worth reading. Even if you disagree, you'll get a chuckle out of the first part of the piece. Here's the link. And, do slip in just to enjoy the classic humor of Mark Twain in the first couple paragraphs, even if you don't read the rest.

    http://www.paulgraham.com/cornpone.html
    Excellent resource, Citizen, and a wonderful explanation of the downward trend all societies tend to follow until beset by a perspective-changing calamity:

    "A new thing in costume appears -- the flaring hoopskirt, for example -- and the passers-by are shocked, and the irreverent laugh. Six months later everybody is reconciled; the fashion has established itself; it is admired, now, and no one laughs. Public opinion resented it before, public opinion accepts it now, and is happy in it. Why? Was the resentment reasoned out? Was the acceptance reasoned out? No. The instinct that moves to conformity did the work. It is our nature to conform; it is a force which not many can successfully resist." - Mark Twain, Corn-Pone Opinions

    But resist we must, for maintaining the high ground is an imperative in our very survival. Another had something similar to say, although his comment was more spiritual in nature. Nevertheless, the principal remains sound: "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." - Jesus, Matthew 7:13-14
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    One correction in the last paragraph of the OP.

    Here's another beauty: "When Crowder makes the absurd claim that the AR-15 is used in upwards of "99.4% of mass shootings," most of the participants accept that statistic as true. In fact, only 3% of all criminal uses of guns actually involve rifles of any kind."
    Yes, 99.4% is wack (on purpose), but the 3% comparrison is mixing apples / oranges... i.e. mass shootings / all criminal gun use.

    I believe the 3% is from FBI statistics on homicides, but could be all gun crime. However that is not mass shootings.

    From Gun-Facts: "A decade long study, covering 84 mass public shootings, found that pistols were used 60% of the time. Rifles were used 27%. But that is all types of rifles, and so-called “assault weapons” (such as the AR-15 or civilian versions of the AK-47) are a subset of these."
    [United States Active Shooter Events from 2000 to 2010: Training and Equipment Implications, Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training (ALERRT),Texas State University, 2013]

    From a Washington Post article: "Shooters brought an average of four weapons to each shooting; one carried seven guns."

    So AR-15 types are a sub-set of the 27% rifles used in mass shootings, and then you have a mix of pistols and rifles brought and used in the mass shootings as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXOC16 View Post
    I watched the video earlier and, quite frankly, I wish I had back the 15 minutes or so it took to do so. Although Crowder does do some decent stuff, this was not among it. Making ignorant, clueless hoplophobes look like ignorant, clueless hoplophobes is an easy task.
    You look at it the wrong way. He collected their names and addresses.

    What better way to know the idiots than to know where to send informational pieces to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    You look at it the wrong way. He collected their names and addresses.

    What better way to know the idiots than to know where to send informational pieces to.
    Frankly, I'm surprised some, if not most, of them didn't pass out at the mere sight of a "real" firearm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    Excellent resource, Citizen, and a wonderful explanation of the downward trend all societies tend to follow until beset by a perspective-changing calamity:
    "A new thing in costume appears -- the flaring hoopskirt, for example -- and the passers-by are shocked, and the irreverent laugh. Six months later everybody is reconciled; the fashion has established itself; it is admired, now, and no one laughs. Public opinion resented it before, public opinion accepts it now, and is happy in it. Why? Was the resentment reasoned out? Was the acceptance reasoned out? No. The instinct that moves to conformity did the work. It is our nature to conform; it is a force which not many can successfully resist." - Mark Twain, Corn-Pone Opinions

    But resist we must, for maintaining the high ground is an imperative in our very survival. Another had something similar to say, although his comment was more spiritual in nature. Nevertheless, the principal remains sound: "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." - Jesus, Matthew 7:13-14
    Oh, my. Ain't that the truth. Some call it sin. Others call it harmful acts--whether against self or others. The irrefutable fact remains that, among all the possible actions in a given situation, only a narrow set of actions leads to life.

    Ethics, mores, morals.

    For example, support your friend by silence, and confirm him in his unethical course. You keep a friend, but pass up an opportunity to salvage his existence. Will you get another opportunity?

    The number of options that leads genuinely to life for any given situation must necessarily be small.

    The gate is small. I agree wholeheartedly.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    Ya can lead a horse to water...

    Crowder who?
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