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    glasgow officer with wrong info

    i went visiting yesterday, me, my wife and son went to my mother inlaw's. i found out that my sister inlaw and her husband just bought new handguns and plan on getting a permit soon. untill then they are gonna carry in their truck, so they decided to ask a officer where and how to carry. i wished she had got his name but didn't, i plan on calling tomorrow and asking too and having the info i need in case of a disagreement, as today is taken up with church and a family outing. now this is what the officer said, he first said and this was right that she can put the gun in any compartment installed by a manufacture that has a lid, but the second thing he said i believe is wrong. he said she could keep the magazine loaded but could not keep one in the chamber, i pretty sure that is wrong, if not let me know and save me a call. but i remember reading somewhere that a person without a permit can have a loaded gun in any compartment installed by a manufacture. this was in glasgow, so i will call tomorrow and let ya'll know what i find out.

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    http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=43448

    527.020(8) A loaded or unloaded firearm or other deadly weapon shall not be deemed concealed on or about the person if it is located in any enclosed container, compartment, or storage space installed as original equipment in a motor vehicle by its manufacturer, including but not limited to a glove compartment, center console, or seat pocket, regardless of whether said enclosed container, storage space, or compartment is locked, unlocked, or does not have a locking mechanism. No person or organization, public or private, shall prohibit a person from keeping a loaded or unloaded firearm or ammunition, or both, or other deadly weapon in a vehicle in accordance with the provisions of this subsection. Any attempt by a person or organization, public or private, to violate the provisions of this subsection may be the subject of an action for appropriate relief or for damages in a Circuit Court or District Court of competent jurisdiction. This subsection shall not apply to any person prohibited from possessing a firearm pursuant to KRS 527.040.

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    Maybe he told them that because they are "rookies" being new to carry of firearms. I don't know about your specific question but I would hope that you could help them out in their schooling for the safe handling of their weapons. I am not a fan of keeping your gun in your car as it presents itself to being stolen. If you can't carry it on your person, concealed or openly, then don't carry it at all. Don't leave it vulnerable to theft.

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    As a gun owner, the courts have found that owners have the duty under the law to know every law that may affect them.

    Of course the .govs don't have this requirement relating to other laws.....

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    they have had long guns at home for several years, but they are just now getting used to handguns. i will do all i can to help them to be able to use their guns safely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    Ridiculous! My car has, at least, three guns in it 24/7. Often, there are more. Two hand guns in the front and one rifle and one shotgun in the trunk is standard procedure for me. What good are these weapons doing me, if they're home in the gun safe? I usually have a handgun on my person, but if I have to go into a restricted place, I leave it in the car. What do you do with yours? Eat it? Try to sneak in with it?

    To me, not keeping a gun in my car means that, some day, some how, I will need a gun and it will not be available. Those things seem to always happen when you are least prepared. Without a gun in my car, I don't feel prepared. If my gun is stolen, that is not a good thing, but I will survive that loss. That is what I have insurance for and the guns that stay in my car are inexpensive, but functional. Without a gun in the car, I may not survive an emergency.
    I don't go into places that don't respect ones right to defend himself. I have mine on me most all the time. If I have to go into a state agency or other like place I have a lock box secured in the truck out of sight, I don't use the glove box or the console compartment or just leave it in the door pocket. Those can be breached real fast. It does not matter to me if its insured, I care about it getting into the wrong hands. I just think it best to have deadly weapons under ones direct control at all times, not left to chance for theft. And yes, the ones I am not in direct possession of are in the safe. I do agree with you though on a gun you can't get to is useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    Well, which is it? The opinions that you have expressed in these two post are all over the place. First you don't leave it in the truck, then you say that you do. You have contradicted every statemant that you made. Like I said originally, ridiculous.
    What is ridiculous is you taking umbrage to a comment that was not directed towards you.

    Based on how most folks "secure" their handguns (firearms) in their vehicles, I am not a fan of "securing" a handgun in a vehicle either.

    The manner in which most folks "secure" their firearms in their vehicle those firearms are vulnerable to theft.

    http://www.fox19.com/story/23829929/...ir-guns-stolen

    Not really sure why a statement of fact offends you...then again, your posts of late seem to indicate a citizen that appears to be easily offend, or is seeking to be offended where no offense is evident, nor intended.
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    What obligation do I have beyond locking my car door in securing my belongings in my car?

    The answer is simple, none.

    The purpose of a lock is only for keeping out honest people.

    gutshot and I both grew up leaving our houses and cars unlocked. Sometimes coming home finding a note from a neighbor saying they borrowed a cup of sugar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomer92266 View Post
    i went visiting yesterday, me, my wife and son went to my mother inlaw's. i found out that my sister inlaw and her husband just bought new handguns and plan on getting a permit soon. untill then they are gonna carry in their truck, so they decided to ask a officer where and how to carry. i wished she had got his name but didn't, i plan on calling tomorrow and asking too and having the info i need in case of a disagreement, as today is taken up with church and a family outing. now this is what the officer said, he first said and this was right that she can put the gun in any compartment installed by a manufacture that has a lid, but the second thing he said i believe is wrong. he said she could keep the magazine loaded but could not keep one in the chamber, i pretty sure that is wrong, if not let me know and save me a call. but i remember reading somewhere that a person without a permit can have a loaded gun in any compartment installed by a manufacture. this was in glasgow, so i will call tomorrow and let ya'll know what i find out.
    Huh!?!?!

    Police are not their lawyer. Police are not even anybody's lawyer.

    We have extensive (all in capitals) evidence of police getting it wrong with respect to law and rights.

    Never, ever ask a cop how to exercise a right. They are not attorneys. And, most especially, they are not your attorney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post

    Yes, I am easily offended. It offends me when one person thinks it a good idea to tell everybody else that there is only one correct way to do something, and that "only" way is his way. It offends me when a person says these things to people that are new to carrying firearms and vulnerable to the opinions of others that are more experienced. It offends me when that advice could possibly get somebody killed. It offends me so much that I called such actions, ridiculous. By the way, I am, also offended that you didn't like my last few posts. I so much wanted to please you.

    Well, now the newbies have heard both sides of the subject. Now, they can decide, for themselves, if their lives are more important than the tiny risk of one more stolen gun added to the millions of stolen guns already out there. By the way, I have kept a gun in my car for over 50 years and never had one stolen from there, but had three stolen from my house, while I was away. Hmmm.., which is the most likely to happen? How about those "facts"?
    What the "newbies" have read is a 50 year history of your low regard for properly securing deadly weapons from theft, whether in your vehicle or in your home.

    Vulnerable to the opinions of others that are more experienced...hmmm...yes, I see your point.
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    I take no offence here.......you do things your way and I will do things my own way, fine and dandy. To each his own. What difference does one more stolen firearm make in the millions already out there? well, I just don't want one of those to be MY gun. Yep, sometimes I have to stow my firearm in my truck and I have gone one extra step over and above the usual measures to make it a little harder than just use a screw driver to pop open the glove box or center console to gain access to my weapon. For you to take offence over this post is what is ridiculous.

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    sorry about being late on this, had house stuff to get done. called glasgow police, was transfered to an officer who told me that he would ask around to find out who told her this wrong info. he was very nice and knew the laws about this, said she can carry loaded openly or in any compartment installed by the car or truck company. i forgot to get his name but at least one officer knows the law, i also called the county attorney and was told the same. so maybe the officer that gave the wrong info will finally get told straight. thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomer92266 View Post
    sorry about being late on this, had house stuff to get done. called glasgow police, was transfered to an officer who told me that he would ask around to find out who told her this wrong info. he was very nice and knew the laws about this, said she can carry loaded openly or in any compartment installed by the car or truck company. i forgot to get his name but at least one officer knows the law, i also called the county attorney and was told the same. so maybe the officer that gave the wrong info will finally get told straight. thanks
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