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    Wash. Attorney General proposes ban


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    "A ban on semiautomatic weapons with military-style features that render them more easily concealable or more deadly; and
    A limit on magazine capacity — currently unlimited under Washington law — to a maximum of 10 rounds of ammunition."
    Aaah yes - the more deadly argument.
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    More "concealable"?! So we're talking all semi-auto handguns?
    Guns don't kill people, bullets do!

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    I assume that this would not affect my single shot rifle? Of course it wouldn't ... such "bans" are immediately void.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Aaah yes - the more deadly argument.
    Its not the gun folks ..... the high school shooter only used 10 rd mags remember ...

    And shotguns are better in such places in any event. Nice GFZ with only a guy who wants to go home.

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    Atty. General Ferguson: "I don't propose bills that I don't think won't pass." @KIRO7Seattle


    Gotta love the morons use of double negatives here. He's basically saying that he doesn't propose bills he thinks will pass.
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    Wash. Attorney General proposes ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Gotta love the morons that can't count the negations, here there are three, and three lefts do make a right.
    Two negatives make each other void. One negative remains. Take any two of those out and you'll understand what is being said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Its not the gun folks ..... the high school shooter only used 10 rd mags remember ...

    And shotguns are better in such places in any event. Nice GFZ with only a guy who wants to go home.
    Do you have a citation for the mag size he used? It would certainly be handy in a discussion.
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    Wash. Attorney General proposes ban

    Tapatalk double posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tombrewster421 View Post
    Atty. General Ferguson: "I don't propose bills...".
    (S)He should stop there. It's not the job of the AG to propose anything.

    Can someone officially file an ethics complaint or lawsuit if the AG is using the power/time of office to do that?

    And warning to all, the link in the OP starts an audio file of some sort. I closed the page, and refuse to patronize websites that do that.
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    Good question.
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    Thumbs up

    Wash. Attorney General is another great gun salesmen. Wow looks like a run on AR 15s soon.
    Even if he gets his way, the Washington state market will be saturated with AR 15s very soon.
    I bet he has stock in the fire arms industry.

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    BOHICA alert

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    Sen. David Frockt (D-46) and Sen. Kevin Ranker (D-40) are working with Ferguson to craft the legislation.

    If you want a preview of what it will look like then here is your link.

    http://app.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summa...2015&bill=63103

    Take note of the other sponsors to this bill, specifically Jayapal, Pederson and Habib. http://app.leg.wa.gov/Rosters/Members


    Frockt and Ranker are no slouches, it is the same ole' drum beat just another drummer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    RCW 43.10.030
    General powers and duties.
    The attorney general shall:
    ...(5) Consult with and advise the governor, members of the legislature, and other state officers...
    Thanks. I guess that's broad enough to allow such unconstitutional idiocy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    The practical effect is that the AG is prohibited from answering citizens' questions. It is a common provision, familiar to me from South Carolina and Wisconsin.
    In most (all?) states. the AG is the chief law enforcement officer and the state's attorney - not for mere commoners.
    Better to not open your mouth and be thought the fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.

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    Did I read this right? No more open carry.

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    9 (ii) Exhibits the firearm in a public place

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoneguy View Post
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    9 (ii) Exhibits the firearm in a public place
    You misread it.
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    the question is what do we do about it?

    Many people are so uniformed about firearms they wouldn't realise everything he said today was a lie.

    the fire in a crowded theater aregument is an old strawman that tries to compare misuse of a civil liberty with preventing a civil liberty from being exercised for fear someone MIGHT misuse it.
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    Another problem in this state there a lot of "pro" gun people that think that us lowly citizens should not have ARs & AKs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by decklin View Post
    Do you have a citation for the mag size he used? It would certainly be handy in a discussion.
    The Columbine shooter (one of them) used just 1o rd mags, did not expend all rds in them in his shooting ... a google search should present you with more than one source of information to allow you to choose one..if you need to cite a source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schlepnier View Post
    the question is what do we do about it?

    Many people are so uniformed about firearms they wouldn't realise everything he said today was a lie.

    the fire in a crowded theater aregument is an old strawman that tries to compare misuse of a civil liberty with preventing a civil liberty from being exercised for fear someone MIGHT misuse it.
    What to do?
    Go to the bills by topic page here. http://app.leg.wa.gov/billsbytopic/R...er=F&year=2015

    Look at all the firearms bills ........... this state has proposed and subsequently passed a lot of self serving laws that do nothing to empower the regular citizen.

    When laws like 594 can be passed because men with money buy adds and grease palms the only thing you can do is use the system we have.

    This has NOTHING to do with "need" it has EVERYTHING to do with "rights". As an example Moms demand Action claim you dont need this or that or large capacity magazines the majority of voters don't turn out to vote against the proposed legislation. Now your rights get whittled away one small piece at a time.

    Joe Waldron puts out a news letter "GOAL POST" during the legislative session, subscribe to it. He is one advocate that takes the time to summarize bills and he does a pretty good job; i don't always agree with his stance but he is honest and strait shooting.

    If you want to subscribe to the GOAL Post by e-mail, send a message to "jwaldron@halcyon.com" or to "goalwa@cox.net.". Please pass GOAL Post on to anyone you believe may have an interest in protecting our rights. Better yet, make a couple of copies of this message, post it on your gun club’s bulletin board, and leave copies with your local gun shop(s). PERMISSION IS HEREBY GRANTED TO DUPLICATE OR REDISTRIBUTE GOAL POST PROVIDED IT IS REPRODUCED IN ITS ENTIRETY WITHOUT TEXTUAL MODIFICATION AND CREDIT IS GIVEN TO GOAL. I can be reached at "jwaldron@halcyon.com" or by telephone at (425) 985-4867.

    Make an appointment with your elected representatives and have a short meeting to discuss your concerns with regard to this proposed legislation. Follow up with them after your meeting by commenting on the bills you are interested in.
    The legislative website is getting easier to use every year; PM me if you want some pointers or examples of bills I have commented on in the past.

    Dont be shy about sending mail to other members of the House or Senate, particularly if they are the sponsor of a bill or signed on as Cosponsor.

    (Short personal note; when Open Carry was banned in the gallery I sort of lambasted the entire legislature by email for not following their own rules and cited same rules.) I got a lot of good feedback, just keep it civil and on point.

    It is very frustrating and sometimes infuriating but we are making progress notwithstanding the gloom and doom presented by the media.

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    You need to go and give committee testimony that you would nullify such laws as a jurist, as is your right. And implore all others to nullify.

    They can pass whatever they like, we decide who is convicted (sometimes).

    Tell them if the law passes you will not convict anyone of any crime not matter how horrible until your rights are honored.

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    I was thinking something a bit more proactive, like working to inform the public he is lying and/or helping his libertarian opponant win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by decklin View Post
    Do you have a citation for the mag size he used? It would certainly be handy in a discussion.
    According to wiki:

    On the day of the massacre, Harris was equipped with a 12-gauge Savage-Springfield 67H pump-action shotgun (which he discharged a total of 25 times) and a Hi-Point 995 Carbine 9 mm carbine with thirteen 10-round magazines (which he fired a total of 96 times).
    Klebold was equipped with a 9×19mm Intratec TEC-9 semi-automatic handgun with one 52-, one 32-, and one 28-round magazine and a 12-gauge Stevens 311D double-barreled sawed-off shotgun. Klebold primarily fired the TEC-9 handgun for a total of 55 times, while he discharged a total of 12 rounds from his double-barreled shotgun.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columb...re#Gun_control

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