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    ‘Religious freedom,’ ‘liberty’ just ‘code words’ for intolerance, USCCR Chairman

    The chairman of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights said that “religious freedom” and “religious liberty” have become merely “code words” for intolerance, “Christian supremacy,” and commit every form of identity-politics sin, and thus they must yield before anti-discrimination laws.
    The remarks, released Thursday in a report on “Peaceful Coexistence: Reconciling Nondiscrimination Principles with Civil Liberties,” is the latest example of an increasingly hostile reception in liberal circles to one of the six specified rights at the core of the First Amendment — the “free exercise” of religion.
    “The phrases ‘religious liberty’ and ‘religious freedom’ will stand for nothing except hypocrisy so long as they remain code words for discrimination, intolerance, racism, sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia, Christian supremacy or any form of intolerance,” said Martin R. Castro, a Chicago Democrat named USCCR chairman by President Obama in 2011.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    The chairman of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights said that “religious freedom” and “religious liberty” have become merely “code words” for intolerance, “Christian supremacy,” and commit every form of identity-politics sin, and thus they must yield before anti-discrimination laws.
    The remarks, released Thursday in a report on “Peaceful Coexistence: Reconciling Nondiscrimination Principles with Civil Liberties,” is the latest example of an increasingly hostile reception in liberal circles to one of the six specified rights at the core of the First Amendment — the “free exercise” of religion.
    “The phrases ‘religious liberty’ and ‘religious freedom’ will stand for nothing except hypocrisy so long as they remain code words for discrimination, intolerance, racism, sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia, Christian supremacy or any form of intolerance,” said Martin R. Castro, a Chicago Democrat named USCCR chairman by President Obama in 2011.
    The Progs are coming fully out of the closet. Their agenda isn't about equal rights and hasn't been for a very long time. It is about eliminating the social influence of Judeo-Christian religions.

    The same Progs who feel compelled to force Christian bakers, wedding photographers, and reception center owners to cater to same-sex couples on equal footing to conjugal heterosexual couples are thrilled when homosexual bakers refuse to put anti-gay messages on cakes. The lie from the Progs when it comes to wedding services is "nobody has to provide anything they don't normally provide, they just have to provide it to all comers equally."

    But in the next breath the Progs demand that Christian pharmacists carry and sell the morning-after-pill even though the pharmacist has no desire to even have that product in his store. The Progs are simultaneously thrilled when drug companies refuse to sell drugs to the government for use in legal executions.

    The Progs who are supposedly deeply worried about the supposedly excessive influence of Judeo-Christian religious beliefs in this country, have nary a problem with Islam. Indeed, the only time they express any real concern about Islam is by comparing every law they don't like to Islamic nations stoning gays or forcing women to wear burkas. Or they dredge up 500 year old history to claim Christianity does the same stuff Islam does. But apparently the belief system that is currently stoning gays, killing women for being raped, and forcing women to wear burkas is not a concern when it comes to admitting unlimited number of refugees.

    The Progs can't even pretend to be self-consistent these days. Their goal is very simply to eliminate the influence of Judeo-Christian institutions and individuals from public discourse. Any and everything that might undermine that will be welcomed at least in the short term on the old military adage of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

    And I think the reason is simple. Like the communists, socialists, and fascists with whom Progs share so much in common, the state/government must be the highest authority and have a monopoly on power. Heaven forbid (pun intended) that any material segment of society look beyond the unelected courts, or bureaucrats, or even elected politicians as the ultimate power. And never, ever, let the pheasants have the means to defend themselves or to threaten the government lock on force.

    It is easy to understand why Obama has such disdain for those of us who cling to our Bibles and guns. Both the Bible and the guns represent limits on government power and authority.

    Regardless of personal religious beliefs or lack thereof, it is a very short sighted gun owner who isn't as concerned about the attacks on religious freedoms as he is about attacks on RKBA. These represent two of the major fronts of assaulting freedom. Assaults on free speech (including both secular and religious speech) are another key front as Prog FEC members attempt to target non-Prog media. Control of healthcare is another key element. Control a man's access to medical care and you control him. Controlling commerce, including by eliminating cash and forcing all exchanges into trackable electronic transactions is yet another.

    We hear of the culture war. Too many people don't realize that the Soviet Gulags, Nazi Concentration Camps, and Killing Fields of Southeast Asia, and the Re-education camps of Red China (among others) were and are the end result of culture wars in which one side can't fight back effectively. American Progs greatly desire such things here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    The chairman of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights said that “religious freedom” and “religious liberty” have become merely “code words” for intolerance, “Christian supremacy,” and commit every form of identity-politics sin, and thus they must yield before anti-discrimination laws.
    The remarks, released Thursday in a report on “Peaceful Coexistence: Reconciling Nondiscrimination Principles with Civil Liberties,” is the latest example of an increasingly hostile reception in liberal circles to one of the six specified rights at the core of the First Amendment — the “free exercise” of religion.
    “The phrases ‘religious liberty’ and ‘religious freedom’ will stand for nothing except hypocrisy so long as they remain code words for discrimination, intolerance, racism, sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia, Christian supremacy or any form of intolerance,” said Martin R. Castro, a Chicago Democrat named USCCR chairman by President Obama in 2011.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ust-code-word/

    http://www.usccr.gov/press/2016/PR-09-07-16.pdf
    The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights is simply another alphabet agency of the G, that is simply a major throne in the side of every President since its inception in 1958.. In this particular issue "Religion" a sanguinary subject that will continue to divide people simply due in part because so many people cannot think for themselves.

    Here is my religion... " The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my Religion".. Also, "treat everyone the way you would want them to treat you."

    More people have died for the cause of religion then any other cause...

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryclubjoe View Post
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    More people have died for the cause of religion then any other cause...
    You sure about that? I would put all of the deaths associated with the "cause of religion" since the beginning of written history up against the amount of deaths perpetrated by GOVERNMENTS in just the last 100 years. Concentration camps, Soviet Gulags, the Asian killing fields, Communist China, and on smaller scales, but just as greusome, the African warlords.

    I have no doubt that more were killed in the 20th century than all others combined. And the cause was not religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmatting View Post
    You sure about that? I would put all of the deaths associated with the "cause of religion" since the beginning of written history up against the amount of deaths perpetrated by GOVERNMENTS in just the last 100 years. Concentration camps, Soviet Gulags, the Asian killing fields, Communist China, and on smaller scales, but just as greusome, the African warlords.

    I have no doubt that more were killed in the 20th century than all others combined. And the cause was not religion.
    My over under due in part to religion is 200,000,000 souls.

    80 million people died in the Muslin conquest of India..

    I stand pat on my argument, more souls have perished over religion than any other subject.. IE you mentioned concentration camps, well concentration camps aka the Holocaust ( Jewish and Homosexual deaths) 6,500.000 souls... Those were some form of religious killings. Here is one,
    Aids death in Africa largely due to opposition to condoms ( a form of religious belief) Thirty million souls died..

    Hence my argument, many folks are simply brain washed or just not so intelligent when it comes to religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmatting View Post
    You sure about that? I would put all of the deaths associated with the "cause of religion" since the beginning of written history up against the amount of deaths perpetrated by GOVERNMENTS in just the last 100 years. Concentration camps, Soviet Gulags, the Asian killing fields, Communist China, and on smaller scales, but just as greusome, the African warlords.

    I have no doubt that more were killed in the 20th century than all others combined. And the cause was not religion.
    You be wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryclubjoe View Post
    Here is my religion... " The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my Religion".. Also, "treat everyone the way you would want them to treat you."
    The problem with the world being your country is that there is no single culture that will suite everyone. Indeed, even in our modest nation of 320 million (out of some 6 or 7 BILLION (6000 million for the mathematically challenged)) we can't come to consensus on culture.

    Countries and States are simply nice ways of deciding which cultural mores will exist in which geographic areas. Ideally, trade reduces the desire for war and folks live in peace under the adage that "good fences make good neighbors."

    Quote Originally Posted by countryclubjoe View Post
    More people have died for the cause of religion then any other cause...
    Not even remotely true and anyone who spouts such nonsense in this day and age of easy information access is either displaying a rank and small minded bigotry toward religion, or else a willful ignorance as to recent history.

    The Black Book of Communism estimates that almost 95 million persons died at the hands of communist regimes over roughly the last 100 years. This wiki article estimates between 85 million and 100 million innocent persons murdered by Communist regimes. This is pushing 3% of world population during the period of most intense deaths.

    There are something like 50 million to 80 million deaths from WWII in the span of some 6 years. WWII had nothing to do with religion, except for Hitler's desire to eliminate the influence and power of religion from society right along with eliminating Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, the disabled, and anyone else he viewed as unfit. The figure represents some 3% of the world population at the time.

    In contrast, the whole of the Spanish Inquisition resulted in somewhere between 100,000 and 150,000 deaths. This represents less than 0.2% of the population in the nations affected by the Inquisition, less than that of total world population.

    Religion has been responsible for sponsoring much of the great art of history, for preserving and even sponsoring much of the scientific knowledge from the early days of history, for founding countless hospitals, orphanages, educational establishments, and charitable efforts.

    In contrast, Progressive/Liberal governments that attempt to eliminate religion including communists, fascists, socialists, and the National Socialists (Nazis), have been responsible for very little good and for murdering a couple hundred million persons in the short span of a century.

    Time to drop the small minded bigotry or ignorance (as the case may be) and start dealing with facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryclubjoe View Post
    I stand pat on my argument, more souls have perished over religion than any other subject.. IE you mentioned concentration camps, well concentration camps aka the Holocaust ( Jewish and Homosexual deaths) 6,500.000 souls... Those were some form of religious killings.
    Oh. So when an atheist kills people of religion, that gets chalked up to religion killing people?

    I guess that is why Progs support infringing my RKBA. After all, if a cop shoots a gang banger who is trying to kill an innocent victim, the gang banger is now a "victim of gun violence".

    Prog "logic" never ceases to amaze me.


    Quote Originally Posted by countryclubjoe View Post
    Here is one, Aids death in Africa largely due to opposition to condoms ( a form of religious belief) Thirty million souls died..
    So folks who choose to have sex knowing the risk of AIDS and then die of AIDS died because they chose not to use condoms because a church they don't belong to discouraged condom use?!?!?

    More Prog logic.

    And the facts, contradict what so many think they know.

    This article provides a different perspective:

    On the second issue of a strategy for whole populations, there is widespread belief that condom-use programmes are effective in reducing HIV infection rates. However, this proves true only outside Africa and amongst identifiable sub-groups (e.g. prostitutes, gay men), but not in a general population. There is no evidence that condoms as a public health strategy have reduced HIV levels at the level of the whole population.[4] Indeed, greater availability and use of condoms is consistently associated with higher (not lower) HIV infection rates, perhaps because when one uses a risk reduction ‘technology’ such as condoms, one often loses the benefit (reduction in risk) because people take greater chances than they would without the technology.[5]

    Therefore at the public level, how does an aggressive condoms policy ‘increase the problem’? It deflects attention, credibility and resources from more effective strategies like abstinence and fidelity – or in secular language, the postponement of sexual debut and a reduction in the proportion of men and women reporting multiple sexual partners. Abstinence and fidelity win little public support in dominant Western discourse, but they are vindicated by solid scientific research and are increasingly included, even favoured, in national AIDS strategies in Africa.

    Two countries with the worst HIV epidemics, Swaziland
    and Botswana, have both launched campaigns to discourage multiple and
    concurrent partners, and to encourage fidelity.
    Footnotes to the above quoted paragraphs:

    [4] Prof. Edward C. Green, director of the Harvard AIDS Prevention Research Project, Interview in Christianity Today posted 20/3/2009 citing researchpublished since 2004 in Science, The Lancet, British Medical Journal and Studies in Family Planning http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/.../111-53.0.html (24 March 2009).


    [5]Kathryn Jean Lopez,‘From Saint Peter’s Square to Harvard Square:Media
    coverage of papal comments on AIDS in Africa is March madness, National Review, 19 March
    2009. http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...UyOWYxNmEzN2E=

    Quote Originally Posted by countryclubjoe View Post
    Hence my argument, many folks are simply brain washed or just not so intelligent when it comes to religion.
    Yes, there are many who are small minded bigots and not intelligent enough to objectively examine the data regarding the positive role of religion. They are brain washed by their friends, political leaders, and pop culture to accept everything bad claimed about religion without doing a 30 second google search to even check for conflicting data. Many of these people are Progs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryclubjoe View Post
    You be wrong
    Do feel free to provide some sources we can check for ourselves. I've already done so.
    All experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. Thank heaven we do not permit a few to impose anarchy.

    "With Anarchy as an aim and as a means, Communism becomes possible."
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    I STAND CORRECTED, NOTWITHSTANDING READING FROM MY SOURCE NUMEROUS TIMES, I KEEP SEEING MILLIONS WHERE THOUSANDS WERE THE CORRECT NUMBER.

    Charles, thank you for being so congenial towards my obvious vacuity on the subject...

    I need to purchase a new pair of glasses..

    Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryclubjoe View Post
    I STAND CORRECTED, NOTWITHSTANDING READING FROM MY SOURCE NUMEROUS TIMES, I KEEP SEEING MILLIONS WHERE THOUSANDS WERE THE CORRECT NUMBER.

    Charles, thank you for being so congenial towards my obvious vacuity on the subject...

    I need to purchase a new pair of glasses..

    Regards

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    You are most welcome. I trust you will never again make the mistake of claiming religion has caused more deaths than all other ideologies. Clearly, big government holds that ignominious title.

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    All experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. Thank heaven we do not permit a few to impose anarchy.

    "With Anarchy as an aim and as a means, Communism becomes possible."
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryclubjoe View Post
    You be wrong
    I stand corrected, my humble apologize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by utbagpiper View Post
    You are most welcome. I trust you will never again make the mistake of claiming religion has caused more deaths than all other ideologies. Clearly, big government holds that ignominious title.

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    you know CCJ, et al., there are some who believe those who implemented Marxist's theory(ies),
    quote, Because of the perceived atheistic nature of communism, some have accused communism of persecuting religion. In addition, another criticism is that communism is, in itself, a religion. unquote

    that stated CCJ, based on the mate's fine research skills and presenting such exemplary historical data regarding the atrocities commited in the pursuit of communism, your premise, is in fact not only correct, but now apparently irrefutable.

    i believe you succinctly stated correctly Joe: indeed!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by utbagpiper View Post
    The Progs are coming fully out of the closet. Their agenda isn't about equal rights and hasn't been for a very long time. It is about eliminating the social influence of Judeo-Christian religions.

    ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryclubjoe View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmatting View Post
    You sure about that? I would put all of the deaths associated with the "cause of religion" since the beginning of written history up against the amount of deaths perpetrated by GOVERNMENTS in just the last 100 years. Concentration camps, Soviet Gulags, the Asian killing fields, Communist China, and on smaller scales, but just as greusome, the African warlords.

    I have no doubt that more were killed in the 20th century than all others combined. And the cause was not religion.
    Maybe, unless you face the fact that government - the authority of the "STATE" - is the world's prevailing religion. And has been for a long time, even among those who profess to be religious otherwise. They pretty much all "vote," don't they?
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