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    Kent State University Open Carry/Firearm Education Walk - Sept 24, noon

    With all the "excitement" of the legal goings-on with the St. Louis Zoo, I forgot to post about this Walk.

    https://www.facebook.com/events/152845551786509/

    From the Facebook "About" section:

    This walk follows in the footsteps of walks conducted in 2014, 2015, and 2016 at and *ON* the campuses of the University of Cincinnati, The Ohio State University, the University of Akron, Bowling Green State University, and Miami University. Links to those walks will be placed at the bottom of this post at a later time.

    Long guns are welcome **with slings and proper muzzle control**, as well as pistols, and *if your organization endorses the Walk*, feel free to pass out literature.

    * ARMED student participation is being worked on. *

    Kent, Ohio is a pretty college town, and unfortunately the campus was the site where four college students were killed (and others wounded) by members of the Ohio National Guard in May of 1970 - when I was in the fifth grade. I'm working on something special for this Walk to explain the events of the time to Walk participants and others.

    ** In recognition that this is a educational, interactive, *public relations* walk, please leave “Don’t Tread on Me!”, “From My Cold Dead Hands!”, "3%", etc. flags/clothing, camo, grungy clothes, and signage at home. **

    The purpose of the Walk is to inform and engage college students and the public about the right to keep and bear arms, including discussing how those rights are diminished by various laws - for instance, by making college campuses Criminal Empowerment Zones.

    You, students, and the general public will get the most from this event by your being willing to engage people in conversation, by listening and responding, not by walking by or by saying sternly "It's my RIGHT!" when asked why you're participating.

    If you've not attended a prior Walk, take a look at the links below. There are **videotapes** of portions of every walk except the initial walk (at the University of Cincinnati) - but UC Walk page has tons of discussion and conversation.

    If you've not done anything like this before, you simply MUST come! ;-) Children are welcome and encouraged.

    ** PARKING **: in the lot in front of the Student Center/Athletic & Convocation Center at Summit St. & Risman Drive.

    Parking map: http://tinyurl.com/j8oat4d

    ** LUNCH **: Plans now finalized. Eating & fellowship will take place after we tour the KSU campus, and some of the non-campus streets.

    I will post more as things develop, including and especially SAFETY.

    Feel free to ask questions in the meanwhile, and I hope to see you there.

    LINKS to prior Walks:

    https://www.facebook.com/events/1701346233480167/ Miami University Open Carry/Firearm Education Walk (includes a video) – April 30, 2016 (Oxford, Ohio)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDadC5l3OSU MU video

    https://www.facebook.com/events/545388728974115/ Bowling Green State University Open Carry/Firearm Education Walk (includes a video) – April 16, 2016

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm9L...ature=youtu.be BGSU video

    https://www.facebook.com/events/1592187871040889/ University of Akron Open Carry/Firearm Education Walk (includes a video) - April 25, 2015

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W_2XaaAaXk&feature=youtu.be UA video

    https://www.facebook.com/events/375006232642421 Ohio State University (Columbus) Open Carry/Firearm Education Walk (includes a video) – April 19, 2014

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ojQTROOo9Y OSU video

    https://www.facebook.com/events/269922139835838 (University of Cincinnati) Cincinnati Open Carry//Firearm Education Walk - April 12, 2014

    **** This Walk is NOT sponsored, endorsed, sanctioned, etc. by Kent State University, Ohio's gun rights or "gun rights" groups, or anyone else *unless specifically stated or advertised* - it's my event. ****
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    Bad news received today

    >> **NO** armed KSU-student participation @ KSU <<

    ARMED **non-KSU students** are welcome, as are UNARMED KSU students - empty holsters or no holsters!

    I finally wrote to KSU President Beverly Warren this afternoon (2:30 PM), after multiple attempts to receive any kind of response from Jennifer Kulics (Dean of Students at KSU) regarding my request that the university, *like every other university has done, where applicable*, waive enforcement of the code of student conduct for armed students who wished to lawfully participate in the Walk.

    At approximately 5:30 PM, Ms. Kulics responded: "Good evening, and I appreciate your willingness to take the time to contact me as well as other members of our university community.

    The university has the obligation to enforce its policies as codified in the Ohio Administrative code. One of which is our dangerous weapons policy. The university will not be suspending this policy or the code of student conduct for this or any other event. We look forward to cooperating with you on September 24th."


    I have notified the media, and shared with them some initial thoughts:

    - Rather than respond in any way to multiple communications, KSU has finally revealed its chosen course. That being said, it's a mystery to me why KSU, **unlike four other Ohio public universities** (the fifth, UA, has no policy against open carry by students on UA's grounds), chose not to waive enforcement of its code of student conduct for students who wished to participate in this Walk while lawfully armed.

    - KSU's students are poorer because of this decision, not unlike other governmental decisions which restrict the choices of individuals under penalty of criminal or other sanctions.
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    Banned dangerous weapons? Really?

    So no vehicles, fertilizer, or household chemicals will be allowed?

    Would make more sense to ban bad people who will do bad things. That has worked so well other places.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Banned dangerous weapons? Really?

    So no vehicles, fertilizer, or household chemicals will be allowed?

    Would make more sense to ban bad people who will do bad things. That has worked so well other places.
    Your post got me thinking...

    KSU can only refuse to allow *their* students to participate while armed - but they have no control over college students from other colleges, whether public or private.

    So, I've modified my post above as well as the Facebook page to make it clear that ARMED non-KSU students are cordially invited. If enough show up for the Walk, it will put an even finer point on KSU's hypocrisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB62 View Post
    Your post got me thinking...

    KSU can only refuse to allow *their* students to participate while armed - but they have no control over college students from other colleges, whether public or private.

    So, I've modified my post above as well as the Facebook page to make it clear that ARMED non-KSU students are cordially invited. If enough show up for the Walk, it will put an even finer point on KSU's hypocrisy.
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    open invitation to the pink pistols & other glbt entities?

    how bout contacting the person of colour WW talked about of late to see if they have locals who might wish to participate?

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    Six more days.

    Lets have a great turnout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    open invitation to the pink pistols & other glbt entities?

    how bout contacting the person of colour WW talked about of late to see if they have locals who might wish to participate?

    ipse
    Yes, there is an open invitation to all, but I know of no other place to post about the Walk except the newly created Pink Pistols forum: http://forum.pinkpistols.org/index.php

    I don't know what you're referring to regarding "a person of colour WW talked about"

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    i am smarter than this forum's bloody search mechanism...HA...

    NATIONAL AFRICAN AMERICAN GUN ASSOCIATION

    Philip Smith is the founder.

    http://www.theolympian.com/news/nati...e89861312.html
    SNIP

    WASHINGTON — July 15 2016

    In February 2015, Philip Smith started a Facebook group to make space for the often-overlooked concerns of law-abiding, license-carrying gun owners who happen to be African-American.

    Smith was tired of feeling conspicuous as the only black guy at the gun ranges he visited. Surely, he thought, there must be others out there, dealing with the same suspicions he faced when passersby glimpsed the Glock on his hip.

    A year and a half later, Smith counts more than 11,000 members, representing all 50 states.

    Smith’s forum reflects what researchers see as growing interest among African Americans in gun ownership. But becoming a black licensed gun owner is not a risk-free prospect, a fact brought to light this month by the police shooting of Philando Castile, who had a permit to carry a concealed weapon when he was shot in his car July 6, and by the presence at a Dallas rally of perhaps 30 marchers July 7 openly carrying their rifles. Dallas police mistakenly labeled a black licensed gun owner as a “person of interest” after gunman opened fire, killing five police officers.

    Despite the championing in Congress of gun restrictions by black legislators, many African-Americans now see gun ownership as an important civil rights cause, in the spirit of abolitionist Frederick Douglass’ comment in 1867 that a man’s rights lay in three boxes: “the ballot box, the jury box and the cartridge box.” In African-American gun groups like Smith’s, members are expressing a mix of fear and defiance over the incidents.

    . . .

    “We have a lot of work to do,” Smith said. “We have to buckle down and work for full Second Amendment rights for African-American men and women. We work, we pay taxes and we’re not going to take this second-class treatment anymore. But one person can’t do it. It has to be done by a community.”

    whole commentary is here...http://vb.opencarry.org/forums/showt...ts-issue/page2

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    Quote Originally Posted by color of law View Post
    Six more days.

    Lets have a great turnout.
    Tomorrow is the big day!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by color of law View Post
    Tomorrow is the big day!!!!!
    alas, i must miss the festivities...got roped into a last minute 4 day dog sitting exercise in raleigh...but oktoberfest is being held in cary and i will hoist a stein (or two) of dunkle in your direction.

    best to you all on the walk...

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    Please do not get confused between my personality & my attitude. My personality is who I am ~ my attitude depends on who you are and how you act. Remember always, do not judge someone because they sin differently than you do!

    Do not try to bend the spoon, that’s impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth… there is no spoon. Then you will see this is not the spoon that bends. It is only yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    alas, i must miss the festivities...got roped into a last minute 4 day dog sitting exercise in raleigh...but oktoberfest is being held in cary and i will hoist a stein (or two) of dunkle in your direction.

    best to you all on the walk...

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    Presume then that you will not be in attendance at breakfast tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Presume then that you will not be in attendance at breakfast tomorrow.
    the breakfast run is but a six hour plus/minus span away from the dogs, allowing me to get back to walk the dogs again in a resonable amount of time, then venture to the Oktoberfest in cary for a couple of hours or so.

    kent state festivities are a weekend excursion since it is an 9+ hour (unless you get wrapped in traffic in greensboro for 3 hours at 2230L due to 3 of the four lanes being closed) one way jaunt which was done as recently as labour day in the extravaganza buckeye road trip where i cover the majority of the state several times.

    so Inshallah, i shall see your smile in the morn...

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    added...unless you are cancelling due to a lack of interest per se?
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    It appears the weather in Kent tomorrow will be 75 degrees and sunny in the early afternoon. Sounds about perfect! By the way I was mentioning this to a casual acquaintance that isn't really a "gun guy". He did recall our previous walks at the University of Cincinnati and Miami University. He said those walks had put him solidly on our side, before he hadn't really thought about the stupidity of gun/carry prohibitions. I expect we've reached a good number of folks with these walks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian D. View Post
    ... By the way I was mentioning this to a casual acquaintance that isn't really a "gun guy". He did recall our previous walks at the University of Cincinnati and Miami University. He said those walks had put him solidly on our side, before he hadn't really thought about the stupidity of gun/carry prohibitions. ...
    Cool! You'll have to tell me about him/that.

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    Kent State e-mail to students, faculty & staff

    "A group that has led open-carry walks at other Ohio campuses plans to lead such a walk at Kent State University's Kent Campus from noon to 4 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 24.

    Ohio law permits people to openly carry weapons on public property, which includes Kent State campuses.

    The university's policy prohibiting students, staff and faculty from possessing weapons anywhere on university property remains in effect.

    The group will not enter any university buildings carrying weapons. Kent State police officers will be in close proximity to the walk in order to ensure safety and protect the rights of all, including walk participants.

    This group has held open-carry walks without incident at other campuses, including the University of Cincinnati, Ohio State University and the University of Akron."


    Unsurprisingly, they didn’t mention the following:

    Kent State, **unlike FIVE other public university campuses where I have conducted these Walks**, refused to waive their code of conduct for students from KSU who wanted to participate in the Walk while armed. Their 'legal' explanation (below, and received at long-last) was laughable.

    So, if you're not a KSU student, faculty member or employee, COME ARMED (or not, your choice).


    KSU response regarding armed student participation in the Walk:

    "Good evening, and I appreciate your willingness to take the time to contact me as well as other members of our university community.

    The university has the obligation to enforce its policies as codified in the Ohio Administrative code. One of which is our dangerous weapons policy. The university will not be suspending this policy or the code of student conduct for this or any other event. We look forward to cooperating with you on September 24th."

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    It was a great walk. There were some demonstrators, flower children no less. Flowers not bullets. I'm sure BB62 will be along to fill in all the details, after all, he was the organizer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by color of law View Post
    It was a great walk. There were some demonstrators, flower children no less. Flowers not bullets.
    Indeed, it was a great walk - my first chance to attend one of BB62's walks and other than the delay starting due to a significant traffic jam keeping BB62 and others from arriving on time I can't imagine how it could have been better.

    BTW, color of law, I'm sure we met since I think I talked to everyone who was there, but I didn't manage to put face to forum handle. Perhaps next time.
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    My head is *still* congested and my hand remains swollen, and I'm off to bed shortly.

    Here are some article links. I hope to post at length tomorrow about this FANTASTIC Walk.

    http://www.ohio.com/news/open-carry-...rsity-1.714315

    http://www.kentwired.com/latest_upda...57e22cf0e.html

    Media pictures: http://www.ohio.com/open-carry-walk-...rsity-1.714316

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    Glad I took part as well. Just wish we weren't sort of stuck with doing these things on Saturdays when the campus greens or sort of low on students and staff to interact with, but it's the nature of the beast for us grass roots people with (ick) real world jobs and such.

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    cowboy hat a nice touch...but social faux pas wearing white after labour day...

    BB62, seems another great event pulled together ...congrats...sorry my black stetson and my tribal missed the festivities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    cowboy hat a nice touch...but social faux pas wearing white after labour day...
    There's always one... <sigh>

    My shirt was pink, however.


    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    ...BB62, seems another great event pulled together ...congrats...sorry my black stetson and my tribal missed the festivities.
    It's a shame - you missed an extraordinary Walk. Now I'm off to the doctor's office!

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    Another article, still not entirely accurate. <sigh>

    http://wksu.org/post/open-carry-advo...orial#stream/0

    "About two-dozen people participated in an open-carry gun walk at Kent State University over the weekend. And as WKSU’s Kabir Bhatia reports, they met several protestors near the spot where the National Guard killed four students, and wounded nine others, in 1970.

    Jeffry Smith has organized open-carry walks at several schools in Ohio, including one last year at the University of Akron. Each one, he says, is to encourage dialogue and curiosity about firearms. But the handful of protestors at the walk on Saturday said it’s disrespectful to carry firearms at Kent State because of the Vietnam-era shootings. Smith disagrees.

    “There is no parallel, as far as I’m concerned, between this and the May 4, 1970 shooting.” ...

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    KSU trustees request changes for university deadly weapons policies

    http://www.kentwired.com/latest_upda...f94433421.html

    "Kent State's Board of Trustees Finance and Administration Committee moved to make changes to the university’s deadly weapon policy and end a conflict with state concealed carry laws during a meeting Friday.

    The trustees met to discuss changing the policy from an administrative policy to a university policy.

    The policy changes will now be sent to the full board for review.

    “We just wanted to make sure that our policy was consistent ... (and) clear,” said Kent State Police Chief Dean Tondiglia, who is also serving as the university's interim dean of public safety. “It was really important, we thought, to elevate it from an administrative policy to a university policy, (and) give a statement that the university takes it seriously. We think it’s a very important topic.”

    Board member Stephen Colecchi said the change will give the policy the “board’s endorsement.”

    Colecchi said that he is aware of recent changes to Ohio law, and wants the university’s policy to be clear of confusion for future policy discussions. ..."

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