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    Chesterfield school bus driver calls police after woman waves gun outside home

    That's the sensational headline from WTVR.com. Sounds like brandishing, except ...

    Chesterfield school bus driver calls police after woman waves gun outside home
    Chesterfield Police were called to the Deerwood neighborhood Thursday by a bus driver who didn't want kids to get off, after she saw a woman come outside a home with a gun.

    Police then surrounded bus 645 in a cul-de-sac on Mapleridge Court.

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    Police say after further investigation, they determined it was a BB gun, so the woman was not charged.

    "Especially when it involves kids,” said parent Michael Gammell. “You want to see the reaction and response."

    "Sometimes you can't be too sure out here,” Gammell said. “What if it wasn't a BB gun and she tripped and fell and a shot went off? Someone could've been hit... Overkill [in a response] isn't always bad."
    So basically, "better safe than sorry" ... what a sorry excuse for post-modern parenting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repeater View Post
    That's the sensational headline from WTVR.com. Sounds like brandishing, except ...

    Chesterfield school bus driver calls police after woman waves gun outside home


    So basically, "better safe than sorry" ... what a sorry excuse for post-modern parenting.
    So do we now have an exception for it only being a BB gun?
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    Police say after further investigation, they determined it was a BB gun, so the woman was not charged.
    So, she would be charged if she had a .22? .38S? .45? For sure if she had a.50 cal.

    We live in a sick society.
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    Elsewhere I saw a long gun described as a ".223 ranch rifle," quite accurately I thought. It was used in defense against trespassers in Texas border country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repeater View Post
    That's the sensational headline from WTVR.com. Sounds like brandishing, except ...

    Chesterfield school bus driver calls police after woman waves gun outside home


    So basically, "better safe than sorry" ... what a sorry excuse for post-modern parenting.
    Always wave you single shot rifle about when picking up your kids or when the bus drops off those kids. That's the ticket !

    Odd, they surrounded the place? No rambos willing to just rush in? LOL

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    Hang on a second. The woman with the BB gun was in her own yard?

    Jeezus! When I was an early teen, my bus driver--a woman--had a revolver. (Not on the bus, mind you.)
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    Police were called to the Deerwood neighborhood Thursday by a bus driver who didn't want kids to get off, after she saw a woman come outside a home with a gun.

    Police then surrounded bus 645 in a cul-de-sac on Mapleridge Court.

    If she was so worried why not leave the area?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf_shadow View Post
    Police were called to the Deerwood neighborhood Thursday by a bus driver who didn't want kids to get off, after she saw a woman come outside a home with a gun.

    Police then surrounded bus 645 in a cul-de-sac on Mapleridge Court.

    If she was so worried why not leave the area?

    She was not quite as smart as her bus tires?

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    I have done the same thing as the bus driver. One bright sunny day not long ago, I saw one kid (middle school age maybe) waving a pistol while chasing another kid down the street past my house. Damn right I called the cops.

    When someone is handling what appears to be a firearm in a reckless or careless manner, a call to 911 is certainly warranted.

    The woman with the BB gun should consider herself lucky that she wasn't shot by another acting in self-defense.

    You all certainly recall the recent case (in Texas?) of a 12 year old pointing a toy gun who was shot dead by a cop responding to a MWAG call?
    A law-abiding citizen should be able to carry his personal protection firearm anywhere that an armed criminal might go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2a4all View Post
    I have done the same thing as the bus driver. One bright sunny day not long ago, I saw one kid (middle school age maybe) waving a pistol while chasing another kid down the street past my house. Damn right I called the cops.

    When someone is handling what appears to be a firearm in a reckless or careless manner, a call to 911 is certainly warranted.

    The woman with the BB gun should consider herself lucky that she wasn't shot by another acting in self-defense.

    You all certainly recall the recent case (in Texas?) of a 12 year old pointing a toy gun who was shot dead by a cop responding to a MWAG call?
    My problem is not calling the cops, or keeping children on the bus.
    Reading the report it appears she remained on scene, instead of leaving area until told area safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf_shadow View Post
    My problem is not calling the cops, or keeping children on the bus.
    Reading the report it appears she remained on scene, instead of leaving area until told area safe.
    Well, you know, it could have been worse.

    It could have been Henrico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2a4all View Post
    I have done the same thing as the bus driver. One bright sunny day not long ago, I saw one kid (middle school age maybe) waving a pistol while chasing another kid down the street past my house. Damn right I called the cops.

    When someone is handling what appears to be a firearm in a reckless or careless manner, a call to 911 is certainly warranted.

    The woman with the BB gun should consider herself lucky that she wasn't shot by another acting in self-defense.

    You all certainly recall the recent case (in Texas?) of a 12 year old pointing a toy gun who was shot dead by a cop responding to a MWAG call?
    You are referring to Tamir Rice in Cleveland OH.

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    Seems to be a semi-rural area. What are the laws that relate to the display of a "firearm" in that area? It seems that individual liberty and private property rights are held in low regard in that area.
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    If she was BRANDISHING a BB GUN as if it were an actual firearm (with intent to deceive/threaten), she should be charged/treated as if it were an actual firearm. From a distance, it is very hard to tell a BB gun/airsoft/toy gun (the more realistic ones that have had the tip removed or painted) and can, have, and will get you shot for using them in a threatening manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2a4all View Post
    I have done the same thing as the bus driver. One bright sunny day not long ago, I saw one kid (middle school age maybe) waving a pistol while chasing another kid down the street past my house. Damn right I called the cops.

    When someone is handling what appears to be a firearm in a reckless or careless manner, a call to 911 is certainly warranted.

    The woman with the BB gun should consider herself lucky that she wasn't shot by another acting in self-defense.

    You all certainly recall the recent case (in Texas?) of a 12 year old pointing a toy gun who was shot dead by a cop responding to a MWAG call?
    Quote Originally Posted by half_life1052 View Post
    You are referring to Tamir Rice in Cleveland OH.
    Thank you, half_life1052. I don't know why I guessed Texas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeroHog View Post
    If she was BRANDISHING a BB GUN as if it were an actual firearm (with intent to deceive/threaten), she should be charged/treated as if it were an actual firearm. From a distance, it is very hard to tell a BB gun/airsoft/toy gun (the more realistic ones that have had the tip removed or painted) and can, have, and will get you shot for using them in a threatening manner.
    Per reading the linked article in original post the woman exited her home while attempting to intimidate a couple dogs with what has turned out to be a bb gun rifle.
    Certainly could have easily been determined by anyone willing to look that she posed no harm or evil intent toward bus, its passengers, or the driver! IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    So do we now have an exception for it only being a BB gun?
    There's no exception - if this had been Henrico, Norfolk, or Alexandria, she'd have been arrested for brandishing - it covers things that the bystanders mistake for weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by user View Post
    There's no exception - if this had been Henrico, Norfolk, or Alexandria, she'd have been arrested for brandishing - it covers things that the bystanders mistake for weapons.
    Like a pointed finger!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by user View Post
    There's no exception - if this had been Henrico, Norfolk, or Alexandria, she'd have been arrested for brandishing - it covers things that the bystanders mistake for weapons.
    Sadly, User is right:

    http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/t...ction18.2-282/

    Actually, that statute is chilling. Just read it, phrase by phrase, from the viewpoint of, "How could a cop or prosecutor interpret this?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    Per reading the linked article in original post the woman exited her home while attempting to intimidate a couple dogs with what has turned out to be a bb gun rifle.
    Certainly could have easily been determined by anyone willing to look that she posed no harm or evil intent toward bus, its passengers, or the driver! IMO

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    Talk to the guy in VA charged for Brandishing for simply being spotted by a school bus driver moving his gun between his seat/hip and his glove box. Yes, the charges stuck. Yes he appealed and lost. YES he was innocent of doing anything more than I stated. Several of us know the guy. You think some moron won't mistake a BB Gun for a real gun and imagine a threat to the kiddies? Please!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeroHog View Post
    Talk to the guy in VA charged for Brandishing for simply being spotted by a school bus driver moving his gun between his seat/hip and his glove box. Yes, the charges stuck. Yes he appealed and lost. YES he was innocent of doing anything more than I stated. Several of us know the guy. You think some moron won't mistake a BB Gun for a real gun and imagine a threat to the kiddies? Please!
    You are right and I too have met him and had dinner with him also. The law does certainly needs to be changed as USER has said.

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