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    National Constitution Center Second Amendment debate - and more

    http://constitutioncenter.org/intera...s/amendment-ii

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    Adam Winkler, Professor of Law, UCLA School of Law
    THE REASONABLE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS BY ADAM WINKLER

    Gun control is as much a part of the Second Amendment as the right to keep and bear arms. The text of the amendment, which refers to a “well regulated Militia,” suggests as much.

    http://constitutioncenter.org/intera...nkler/interp/2
    Nelson Lund, University Professor, Antonin Scalia School of Law, George Mason University
    NOT A SECOND CLASS RIGHT: THE SECOND AMENDMENT TODAY BY NELSON LUND

    The right to keep and bear arms is a lot like the right to freedom of speech. In each case, the Constitution expressly protects a liberty that needs to be insulated from the ordinary political process.

    http://constitutioncenter.org/intera...-lund/interp/2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    http://constitutioncenter.org/intera...s/amendment-ii

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    Interactive Constitution. THE CONSTITUTION of the United States of America

    On this site, constitutional experts interact with each other to explore the Constitution’s history and what it means today. For each provision of the Constitution, scholars of different perspectives discuss what they agree upon, and what they disagree about. These experts were selected with the guidance of leaders of two prominent constitutional law organizations—The American Constitution Society and The Federalist Society. This project is sponsored by a generous grant from the John Templeton Foundation.

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    the quote of mister winkler shows him take the subject out of context by applying current definition of regulated, rather then the older definition that was widely accepted at the time, he also neglects the context of which the word is used for the time the document was written, which plays just as much a factor in definition of the word as what it meant then.

    IE Regulated does NOT mean gun CONTROL, it means amply supplied and trained. Further reinforcement of this is set out in the desire for congress to set the training guidelines for the Militia, as well the "regulation"/"control" that EVERY MILITIA MEMBER HAVE A MUSKET AND AMMO for the time period, which this time period a musket was the standard military weapon.

    and the founding father quotes on the matter regarding who is in the militia or what constitutes the militia, which the resounding answer seemed to be EVERY ABLE BODIED MAN.

    so yeah. the right extends into the right of the individual to keep and bear arms, equivalent to the current military standard, should a militia of the people be necessary to fight invasion, or tyranny.

    the fault is not with the people exercising their individual right, it is with congress failing to appoint training guidelines, or promoting the states to having state militia offices.
    Last edited by Ezek; 09-10-2016 at 12:14 PM.

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