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The Constitution IS living and breathing

solus

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Considering we are on the cusp of either Communism from the left, or a Totalitarian regime from the right...if the Constitution is living and breathing it's being slowly suffocated to death.

From my Progressive perspective, I think if any political side is going to save us it's going to be Republicans pulling us from the brink before going over either of those cliffs, if they have the resolve to do it.

Just typing that I'm a Progressive make my stomach turn, and face red from embarrassment.

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One common approach, for instance, fails to specify the precise nature of either side, yet proceeds to place communism, socialism, and modern “liberalism” on (or toward) the left—and fascism, conservatism, and capitalism on (or toward) the right.

Conservatism is not for individual rights or personal liberty; rather, it is for religious values (euphemistically called “traditional values” or “family values”) and a government that enforces them. Although conservatism calls for some economic liberties, it simultaneously demands various violations of individual rights in order to support certain aspects of the welfare state (e.g., Social Security and government-run schools), in order to shackle or control “greedy” businessmen (e.g., Sarbanes-Oxley and anti-immigration laws), and in order to forbid certain “immoral” acts or relationships (e.g., drug use and gay marriage). Thus, conservatism is utterly at odds with capitalism.

Because the term “left” is already widely used to denote social systems and ideologies of force (e.g., socialism, communism, “progressivism”), and the term “right” is substantially used to denote social systems and ideologies of freedom (e.g., capitalism, classical liberalism, constitutional republicanism), the best approach for advocates of freedom is not to develop new terminology for the political spectrum, but to define the existing terminology with respect to political essentials—and to claim the extreme right end of the spectrum as rightfully and exclusively ours. unquote. https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/2012/06/political-left-and-right-properly-defined/

instead of shock and awe like the '65 song by McGuire, Eve of Destruction (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntLsElbW9Xo listen to the words sounds quite relative to today's environment! ) provide insight how to mitigate the issues instead of hummm'g 1, 2 , 3, 4 Country Joe Fish's song!
 

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Eggs are a crap example since they're significantly subsidized. Who knows what the true cost of a dozen eggs is--sure there's a site out there that give a hard number.

Small egg farmer sells a dozen for $8. That's without subsidies. http://www.motherjones.com/food/2011/08/affordable-food-doesnt-have-to-kill-planet/

I remember someone saying it takes 1.2 million dollars--roughly--to become a millionaire. Unlike 40 years ago when it would take 750k.

wait till you get through paying for HUGO's romp through the heartland!
 

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A one dimensional political continuum is naive.

of course it is, which is why communism, as marx's conceived it, failed in the CCCP!

but are we not living in a one dimensional continuum at the moment with an entire federal legislature stuck on stupid cuz their heads are so far up their...?
 
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Considering we are on the cusp of either Communism from the left, or a Totalitarian regime from the right...if the Constitution is living and breathing it's being slowly suffocated to death.

From my Progressive perspective, I think if any political side is going to save us it's going to be Republicans pulling us from the brink before going over either of those cliffs, if they have the resolve to do it.

Just typing that I'm a Progressive make my stomach turn, and face red from embarrassment.
I suspect no one fits into a specific category whether that be progressive, middle, or conservative but everyone is a jumble mix of all 3 depending on the issue. And I suspect that even within a specific issue most folks have some progressive views mixed with some middle views along with some conservative views.

The problem in our society right now, at least as I see it, isn't what views folks have but is the unwillingness to respect views different from one's own.
 

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snipp...

As for Liberalism, social engineering, social activism, social advocacy, rights movements, peace movements, the United Nations... their failure is a necessity not an annoyance. "It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong." Richard Feynman."

http://mazepath.com/uncleal/comprom.htm

so do you wish help to get the fish hook out if you truly believe that richard feynman wrote your quoted portions of the, oh, your approximately 20 year epistle?

how bout Copyright 2008 Alan M. Schwartz. who apparently used a final quote from Mr. Feynman, appropriately "..." to add a bit of ending validation to his rhetoric (oh Heavens, do not tell me it was a conscientious manoeure to add a bit of status to his BS commentary ~ the scalawag!)

found it interesting nightmare you didn't touch on the schwartz's commentary regarding education which was the best part of his commentary:

quote schwartz:
1900s education worked because it was simple and direct. Every wretched immigrant kid learned English reading, English writing, and arithmetic without choice in buildings that were hardly more
than shacks. Education in the 21st century is a dysfunctional bleeding ulcer not because we are not doing enough, spending enough, or lack compassion. Public education is a bleeding ulcer
specifically because we are pursuing all those things with maximum vigor and budget in carpeted air-conditioned audio-visual multi-cultural pleasure domes for our delicate Adderall-gulping
children. If public education is about anything but the narrowest least complex vision of education, it will fail. unquote schwartz.

hollar nightmare if you need assistance to get the fish hook out...

<META NAME="Copyright" CONTENT="Copyright 2008 Alan M. Schwartz. All Rights Reserved.">
<META NAME="description" CONTENT="Luxuriate in wicked and delicious excess, give Homeland Security tapping your computer a thrill. Uncle Al has come for a piece of all mankind!">
 
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I suspect no one fits into a specific category whether that be progressive, middle, or conservative but everyone is a jumble mix of all 3 depending on the issue. And I suspect that even within a specific issue most folks have some progressive views mixed with some middle views along with some conservative views.

The problem in our society right now, at least as I see it, isn't what views folks have but is the unwillingness to respect views different from one's own.

alas, this is a perspective that i can truly see occurring at the moment...thanks for quantifying it!
 

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I suspect no one fits into a specific category whether that be progressive, middle, or conservative but everyone is a jumble mix of all 3 depending on the issue. And I suspect that even within a specific issue most folks have some progressive views mixed with some middle views along with some conservative views.

The problem in our society right now, at least as I see it, isn't what views folks have but is the unwillingness to respect views different from one's own.

No, not really. The problem is that most people seem to think they have some right and imperative to FORCE everyone else, as much as possible, to agree with their own view and philosophy. Seems most everyone wants to control everyone else. I'll gladly listen to someone else express their views... as long as there is no coercion, theft and assault involved. They can believe anything they want... I have the same right to my belief and world view. Just no right to impose it on anyone else.
 

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I wonder if this nurse IIRC has paid back her cost to society that she so disparages. If one will live in and on the Commons fine, and if one will live outside the pale that's fine too. To carry society's investment from inside the Commons, out of the pale is THEFT requiring remorse and atonement.

What in the world are you on about? What "nurse" and how do you know she owes anything to anyone? "...cost to society?" Personally, I paid every dime for my education in nursing, and then spent 30 years working backbreaking hours taking care of people... but I'm not claiming that "society" owes me anything either.

You sound like a true communist to me.
 

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I wonder if this nurse IIRC has paid back her cost to society that she so disparages. If one will live in and on the Commons fine, and if one will live outside the pale that's fine too. To carry society's investment from inside the Commons, out of the pale is THEFT requiring remorse and atonement.
My decoder ring has failed me.
 

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I wonder if this nurse IIRC has paid back her cost to society that she so disparages. If one will live in and on the Commons fine, and if one will live outside the pale that's fine too. To carry society's investment from inside the Commons, out of the pale is THEFT requiring remorse and atonement.

Are drugs now legal in the state of Wisconsin?. :banghead:
 

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The mod's here are opposed to anyone that advocates illegal activity. But Mama, I hear you!.

Be well Mama.

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Sure, but I was thinking about all the drugs those in WI government probably take. I'm sure not all of them are terribly concerned about what is "legal." :)

As for everything else... well, I won't ADVISE anyone to do anything against their conscience, including the mods here. :)
 
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