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    Virginia Congressman Jim Moran and Virginians Against Handgun Violence are stepping up efforts to ban 50-caliber sniper rifles. Nothing new, but the some ol' Stuff.

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    Funny how when the antis dance in the blood of a tragedy and use it to promote their agenda they often propose legislation that has little to do with the tragedy. An officer is killed with an AK in Fairfax, Moran says lets ban .50 caliber weapons. An officer in Philadelphia is killed with a shotgun, Mayor Street says 'we need a one handgun a month law. Has anyone in the US, much more a police officer, ever been murdered by someone using a .50 caliber?


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    These people are so idiotic. People are getting murdered left and right by those evil .50 cals, give me a break!!!
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    VAopencarry wrote:
    These people are so idiotic. People are getting murdered left and right by those evil .50 cals, give me a break!!!
    The Governator signed a bill in CA banning .50BMG's, even though there was never a murder committed with one in CA. It’s the PC thing to do. This is just another reason that we must stay active in our fight against the anit’s, because they will take whatever we let them. –TEX1N

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    I'll bet they wished they had a .50 at the north hollywood bank robbery shootout though. Can you imagine the controversy had a civilian with a .50 shot one or both of the robbers/shooters?

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    Isn't that the one where the police had to borrow rifles(AR-15's) from a local gun dealer (aka citizen) in order to penetrate the robbers body armor?

    Guess they are glad the california gun ban wasn't in place yet.

    Besides that: How many people can actually afford a .50 cal?

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    I'll bet they wished they had a .50 at the north hollywood bank robbery shootout though. Can you imagine the controversy had a civilian with a .50 shot one or both of the robbers/shooters?

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    I am waiting for the day when the ATF decides the 50BMG is a "destructive device" and bans them overnight without any discussion. Like they did the Street Sweeper shotgun.
    That will be the line in the sand for many folks.

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    Why are .50's so expensive? why are pre-ban auto's so expensive? because of the attempt to legislate them out of civilian hands. supply and demand, etc.

    If we could get the USSC to rule correctly on the 2nd Amendment these weapons would be less expensive.

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    Did anyone else notice that Virginians Against HANDGUN Violence is trying to go after rifles here.:?

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    Absolutely - ban the .50-caliber. That way, I'll be back on top with my .30-cals as the most fearsome boogeyman... bwahaha

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    Why are these people specifically against handgun violence? Why not against violence in general?

    I mean, I'm against handgun violence too. I just use my gun to protect myself against those who are in favor of it.

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    LeagueOf1291 wrote:
    Why are these people specifically against handgun violence? Why not against violence in general?

    I mean, I'm against handgun violence too. I just use my gun to protect myself against those who are in favor of it.
    This is our foot-in-the-door to take over Virginians Against Handgun Violence. We're all against gun violence. We've got common-cause with 'em. All we have to do is flood them with membership applications, take over the Board, install Philip Van Cleave as president, and then maybe something can actually get done about gun violence in VA.


    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    AbsolutZer0 wrote:
    Isn't that the one where the police had to borrow rifles(AR-15's) from a local gun dealer (aka citizen) in order to penetrate the robbers body armor?

    Guess they are glad the California gun ban wasn't in place yet.

    Besides that: How many people can actually afford a .50 cal?
    I'm still trying to figure out how the cops got the riflesfrom an FFL dealer without filling out all of the paperwork and the 7 day (or however many days the average citizen would have to wait) waiting period.

    According to one FFL dealer I met down in the Big Easy, even during a natural disaster he has to log out each and every firearm he took home because he didn't have room for them in his safes

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    Legba wrote:
    Absolutely - ban the .50-caliber. That way, I'll be back on top with my .30-cals as the most fearsome boogeyman... bwahaha

    -ljp
    except for those who have a .408 cheytac....the they'd be on top, they kinda are now come to think of it.... btw i would love to have a .338 lapua just to say i have one!

    Jason aka "Kodiak"

    *edited for spelling (i kinda suck at it)*

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    Barrett is ahead of the curve with the new .416. That will piss off the anti .50 crowd.
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    Citizen wrote:
    LeagueOf1291 wrote:
    Why are these people specifically against handgun violence? Why not against violence in general?

    I mean, I'm against handgun violence too. I just use my gun to protect myself against those who are in favor of it.
    This is our foot-in-the-door to take over Virginians Against Handgun Violence. We're all against gun violence. We've got common-cause with 'em. All we have to do is flood them with membership applications, take over the Board, install Philip Van Cleave as president, and then maybe something can actually get done about gun violence in VA.

    I LLLLLIKEIT!

    Of course, a bunch of antis could always do the same thing to VCDL (though they'd have to get help from out of state to get enough numbers to have an effect).

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    Citizen wrote:
    LeagueOf1291 wrote:
    Why are these people specifically against handgun violence? Why not against violence in general?

    I mean, I'm against handgun violence too. I just use my gun to protect myself against those who are in favor of it.
    This is our foot-in-the-door to take over Virginians Against Handgun Violence. We're all against gun violence. We've got common-cause with 'em. All we have to do is flood them with membership applications, take over the Board, install Philip Van Cleave as president, and then maybe something can actually get done about gun violence in VA.

    I LLLLLIKEIT!

    Of course, a bunch of antis could always do the same thing to VCDL (though they'd have to get help from out of state to get enough numbers to have an effect).
    The real effect of the operation is to expose the pretenses behind VAHV. They wouldn't let us join once they figured out what was going on. That then gives us ammo to prove they're not against the violence, they're against people being able to defend themselves. Its one more tool in the box; one more skirmish in the fight. It also "shows" we're not the thoughtless, violenthicks and clods that we're made out to be.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    http://www.accuratereloading.com/700ne.html a .70 caliber rifle.

    If 'caliber' becomes a banning criterium then guard your .71 caliber IIRC 12 ga.

    I learned my large caliber lessons at the butt of 500 and 700 BPEs as a teenager.

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    Doug Huffman wrote: Good heavens. Is that a rifle cartridge or an artillery shell? :shock:
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Citizen wrote:
    Doug Huffman wrote: Good heavens. Is that a rifle cartridge or an artillery shell? :shock:
    OH MY!!!!
    I do believe that I need one.....because I always wanted to find out what it is actually like to be kicked by a mule!!

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    TaosGlock wrote:
    I am waiting for the day when the ATF decides the 50BMG is a "destructive device" and bans them overnight without any discussion. Like they did the Street Sweeper shotgun.
    That will be the line in the sand for many folks.
    The way I understand it, the secretary of the TREASURY can declare a firearm a destructive device any time he feels like it. After all, the ATF is a tax collection agency.

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    LeagueOf1291 wrote:
    Why are these people specifically against handgun violence? Why not against violence in general?

    I mean, I'm against handgun violence too. I just use my gun to protect myself against those who are in favor of it.
    You are falling right into the propaganda trap. Look at the language: "gun violence". There is no such thing. Guns are inanimate objects. People are violent. The constant association of "guns" and "violence" by the anti's burns that image into peoples brains. Kind of like "reasonable gun control".

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    glocknroll wrote:
    TaosGlock wrote:
    I am waiting for the day when the ATF decides the 50BMG is a "destructive device" and bans them overnight without any discussion. Like they did the Street Sweeper shotgun.
    That will be the line in the sand for many folks.
    The way I understand it, the secretary of the TREASURY can declare a firearm a destructive device any time he feels like it. After all, the ATF is a tax collection agency.
    I need to make a correction here. Since the Homeland Security Act, the ATF is under the Dept. of Homeland Security. All references to the Secretary of the Treasury have been left in the wording of the NFA, but they are now understood by a revision of the federal code to refer to the Attorney General. I should have done my research before I shot off my big mouth.

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    Toad wrote:
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    Doug Huffman wrote: Good heavens. Is that a rifle cartridge or an artillery shell? :shock:
    OH MY!!!!
    I do believe that I need one.....because I always wanted to find out what it is actually like to be kicked by a mule!!
    While you are a teenager, young, recover easily, dumb, know every thing - a mule or a too big gun teaches good lessons about invincible forces and immoveable objects.

    And respect for Grandfather, a small man that stood in front of serious big game and took the recoil of too big guns before the game was up.

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