Mike
Site Co-Founder
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Open carry press helps gun rights, especially concealed carry - it makes concealed carry look normal
Open carry press helps gun rights, especially concealed carry - it makes concealed carry look normal
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Wisconsin Open Carry
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pkbites
Regular Member
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Mike wrote:
Mike wrote:
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Now you would be carrying a concealed weapon - Wisconsin law does not differentiate between loaded/unloaded. The key for the people in Wisconsin is to vote Green (no - not environmental wacko - Mark Green). Wisconsin would have concealed carrytodayif the pro-gun forces hadn't got into a snit about Scott McCallum's less than perfect position in 2002. Unfortunately, WI is very weak in organization. WCCA's website's latest "news" is from March. A lot people want concealed carry but only if somebody delivers it with a red bow and no effort on their part. If Doyle wins, a open carry campaign is the only thing that can possibly (but doubtfully) work (compare Ohio) but again there isn't the stomach to do so. Perhaps some of the VCDL/OFCC people can visit WI and invigorate the effort?
Shotgun wrote:
Now you would be carrying a concealed weapon - Wisconsin law does not differentiate between loaded/unloaded. The key for the people in Wisconsin is to vote Green (no - not environmental wacko - Mark Green). Wisconsin would have concealed carrytodayif the pro-gun forces hadn't got into a snit about Scott McCallum's less than perfect position in 2002. Unfortunately, WI is very weak in organization. WCCA's website's latest "news" is from March. A lot people want concealed carry but only if somebody delivers it with a red bow and no effort on their part. If Doyle wins, a open carry campaign is the only thing that can possibly (but doubtfully) work (compare Ohio) but again there isn't the stomach to do so. Perhaps some of the VCDL/OFCC people can visit WI and invigorate the effort?
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Shotgun
Wisconsin Carry, Inc.
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If it's insane to carry openly in Madison, then how do you suggest one exercise their Constitutional right to bear arms? And no, most buildings downtown are not government buildings. I know because I work in one of them.
As far as school zones go (and vehicles) as I see it Wisconsin statutes require a firearm to be concealed (i.e. "encased") in certain circumstances-- while transporting in a vehicle and while in a school zone. Plus they must be unloaded.
If it's insane to carry openly in Madison, then how do you suggest one exercise their Constitutional right to bear arms? And no, most buildings downtown are not government buildings. I know because I work in one of them.
As far as school zones go (and vehicles) as I see it Wisconsin statutes require a firearm to be concealed (i.e. "encased") in certain circumstances-- while transporting in a vehicle and while in a school zone. Plus they must be unloaded.
lockman
State Researcher
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For all it is worth I have written both my U.S. Senators and Representative about the "Gun free school zones act." Basically asking to correct the wording allowing exemption for regognized permits to carry and exemption where carry would be otherwise legal by state law even without a permit. Only hitch, WI has there own Gun free school zones act requireing the gun be unloaded.
WI self-defense supporters have to get the statutes changed or force a definative broad WI Supreme court decision on the matter, OC or CC. I am a part time WI non-resident and I let the local representatives know how I feel.
My two residences are in IL & WI not much worse than that for self defense. I sure know how to pick-em'!
For all it is worth I have written both my U.S. Senators and Representative about the "Gun free school zones act." Basically asking to correct the wording allowing exemption for regognized permits to carry and exemption where carry would be otherwise legal by state law even without a permit. Only hitch, WI has there own Gun free school zones act requireing the gun be unloaded.
WI self-defense supporters have to get the statutes changed or force a definative broad WI Supreme court decision on the matter, OC or CC. I am a part time WI non-resident and I let the local representatives know how I feel.
My two residences are in IL & WI not much worse than that for self defense. I sure know how to pick-em'!
Lammie
Campaign Veteran
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Bear in mind that the "School Zone" prohibition does not only apply to open carry but would apply to concealed carry as well.
Bear in mind that the "School Zone" prohibition does not only apply to open carry but would apply to concealed carry as well.
lockman
State Researcher
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Welcome aboard Lammie!
Welcome aboard Lammie!
Lammie
Campaign Veteran
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First to pkbites: Sir it is refreshing to see someone in the law enforcement community take such a pragmatic approach to our right to keep and bear arms in Wisconsin. I do have one comment concerning one of you postings. It concerned the open carry in downtown Madison where you made the comment that people would "freak out". So what. So what if people freak out because others are excersizing their legal and constitutional rights. Maybe that's what is needed to furthur the cause for a reasonable Personsl Protection Act.
Second: I'm a licensed FFL holder and a part time gunsmith. I belong to a number of gun rights forums. I conclude from the forums I belong to that we gun rights people are "sheep in wolves clothing". When everything is said and done, more gets said than done. There is also another axiom "the squeking wheel gets the most grease". It does little to discuss pro gun issues amoung ourselves. We are all of the same mindset. Each of us has to make noise in the general community. Things like letters to our legislature representatives. letters to the Attorney General, letters to the hundreds of newspapers in the state, letters to the Governor himself, letters to the local law enforcement.
One of the wonders of the internet is that we can express our opinions and do a lot of "squeaking" and furthur our cause at no cost.
First to pkbites: Sir it is refreshing to see someone in the law enforcement community take such a pragmatic approach to our right to keep and bear arms in Wisconsin. I do have one comment concerning one of you postings. It concerned the open carry in downtown Madison where you made the comment that people would "freak out". So what. So what if people freak out because others are excersizing their legal and constitutional rights. Maybe that's what is needed to furthur the cause for a reasonable Personsl Protection Act.
Second: I'm a licensed FFL holder and a part time gunsmith. I belong to a number of gun rights forums. I conclude from the forums I belong to that we gun rights people are "sheep in wolves clothing". When everything is said and done, more gets said than done. There is also another axiom "the squeking wheel gets the most grease". It does little to discuss pro gun issues amoung ourselves. We are all of the same mindset. Each of us has to make noise in the general community. Things like letters to our legislature representatives. letters to the Attorney General, letters to the hundreds of newspapers in the state, letters to the Governor himself, letters to the local law enforcement.
One of the wonders of the internet is that we can express our opinions and do a lot of "squeaking" and furthur our cause at no cost.
lockman
State Researcher
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Lonnie Wilson wrote:
Lonnie Wilson wrote:
Would not section 6 subject an off duty LEO carrying a firearm to a potentail felony if his presence is not "acting in his or her official capacity"?
Shotgun
Wisconsin Carry, Inc.
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lockman wrote:
lockman wrote:
Maybe, but I suppose if the cop is authorized to carry off duty, then it's in his/her "official capacity." I would be quite surprisedif an LEO was ever prosecuted for carrying a gun under this law unless they were clearly engaged in some other seriousillegal activity.
ilbob
Campaign Veteran
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Shotgun wrote:
Shotgun wrote:
Since it is rare to prosecute cops who commit even very serious crimes, on or off duty, it seems unlikely a minor and very technical violation such as you describe might be prosecuted.
Gray Peterson
Founder's Club Member - Moderator
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Shotgun wrote:
LEOSA makes it an impossibility for a person to be charged.
Shotgun wrote:
LEOSA makes it an impossibility for a person to be charged.
Lammie
Campaign Veteran
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Statute 941.23 implicibly allows a peace officer to carry a concealed weapon at all times. Where he/she can carry it while off duty becomes the question. Off duty means off duty. Unless an officer is called back to duty for a specific reason I would think he/she has no more authority than an average citizen, therefore, it would seem that in an off duty situation the rule in question would apply. However, in our legal system what is real and what is actual are two different things.
Statute 941.23 implicibly allows a peace officer to carry a concealed weapon at all times. Where he/she can carry it while off duty becomes the question. Off duty means off duty. Unless an officer is called back to duty for a specific reason I would think he/she has no more authority than an average citizen, therefore, it would seem that in an off duty situation the rule in question would apply. However, in our legal system what is real and what is actual are two different things.
Doug Huffman
Banned
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I just stopped by after reviewing the developments in VA's Tony 7 thread. I noticed not one mention of the damn NRA there or in this thread. Thank y'all.
I'll say it again. Wisconsin's PPA failed because the NRA will not cede their power to arm/disarm people.
Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA KKKMA$$
I just stopped by after reviewing the developments in VA's Tony 7 thread. I noticed not one mention of the damn NRA there or in this thread. Thank y'all.
I'll say it again. Wisconsin's PPA failed because the NRA will not cede their power to arm/disarm people.
Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA KKKMA$$
Lammie
Campaign Veteran
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I am a long time NRA member and I admit that I,too, am sometimes upset with some of it's actions. I especially don't like it's totarian attitude that they alone have all the answers on how to protect our gun rights. They refuse to coordinate with the other gun right organizations. A coalition of all gun right organizations is absolutely necessary unless we want to see our gun rights go the way of Great Britain, Australia and Canada. In defense of the NRA I have to say if it wasn't because of it's efforts our gun ownership would have gone down the toilet during the eight Clinton years. the The NRA often does take a radical approach to things I'm sure that it's blind sighted efforts to play "Doyle bashing" during the last election and it's refusal to play the legal open carry issue. cost us any hopes of getting a personal protection act adopted any year soon. I'm not sure if it's radical approach to solutions is by intent or a reflection of the organization. I do know that only radical actions get media attention. Normal law abiding citizens are not "newsworthy". I do know that dispite the NRA's selfish and arrogant attitudes it's legal department and 4million voter power is the best card we have to play.
I am a long time NRA member and I admit that I,too, am sometimes upset with some of it's actions. I especially don't like it's totarian attitude that they alone have all the answers on how to protect our gun rights. They refuse to coordinate with the other gun right organizations. A coalition of all gun right organizations is absolutely necessary unless we want to see our gun rights go the way of Great Britain, Australia and Canada. In defense of the NRA I have to say if it wasn't because of it's efforts our gun ownership would have gone down the toilet during the eight Clinton years. the The NRA often does take a radical approach to things I'm sure that it's blind sighted efforts to play "Doyle bashing" during the last election and it's refusal to play the legal open carry issue. cost us any hopes of getting a personal protection act adopted any year soon. I'm not sure if it's radical approach to solutions is by intent or a reflection of the organization. I do know that only radical actions get media attention. Normal law abiding citizens are not "newsworthy". I do know that dispite the NRA's selfish and arrogant attitudes it's legal department and 4million voter power is the best card we have to play.
Doug Huffman
Banned
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I and evidently others will not support an effort with NRA on the letterhead. OC is legal in Wisconsin and that will end the NRA hegemony.
The 2A says 'shall not be infringed,' while the NRA's stock-in-trade is 'infringement.'
What are the words for 'expecting different effects from a single cause'? They are many, stupid, psychotic, unrealistic...
The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense. Beware, who agrees maybe fool too.
I and evidently others will not support an effort with NRA on the letterhead. OC is legal in Wisconsin and that will end the NRA hegemony.
The 2A says 'shall not be infringed,' while the NRA's stock-in-trade is 'infringement.'
What are the words for 'expecting different effects from a single cause'? They are many, stupid, psychotic, unrealistic...
The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense. Beware, who agrees maybe fool too.
scorpio_vette
Regular Member
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apjonas wrote:
2008 huh??? guess things didn't go as expected huh??? bummer. sure would have been nice.
apjonas wrote:
2008 huh??? guess things didn't go as expected huh??? bummer. sure would have been nice.
Mugenlude
Campaign Veteran
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Back from the dead!!!! Interesting to read some the opinions from the past, I think it was ilbob who stated what needed to happen with the AG (and it actually did happen!!!), just goes to show that there is hope for us, even as far fetched as it might seem currently.
We face the same challenge in 2010 as we did in 2008, only things have changed a little bit as Doyle isn't running with all of that money...
Back from the dead!!!! Interesting to read some the opinions from the past, I think it was ilbob who stated what needed to happen with the AG (and it actually did happen!!!), just goes to show that there is hope for us, even as far fetched as it might seem currently.
We face the same challenge in 2010 as we did in 2008, only things have changed a little bit as Doyle isn't running with all of that money...