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    Looks like this guy defended himself properly but leaving the scene after the shooting might get him hung up.

    http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/...WS02/609040367

    Hoosier shot to death while attempting to rob bar patron
    The Indianapolis Star


    LAWRENCE, Ind. -- A would-be robber died Saturday after his intended victim pulled out a handgun and shot him five times, authorities said.
    Police identified the robber as Ronald Zenor, 29, of Indianapolis, who was taken to Wishard Memorial Hospital, where he died.
    The incident occurred about 3:30 a.m. as the Sports Page Lounge, a Lawrence bar, was closing. Eric Conter, 22, of Indianapolis, had left the bar and climbed into his pickup. Zenor reached through the window, tried to pull a necklace off Conter's neck and began choking him, Lawrence police Chief Jack Bailey said.
    Conter pulled out his 9mm pistol and shot Zenor, Bailey said.
    Conter drove off, but he later contacted Indianapolis police. He also gave a statement to Lawrence detectives. Bailey said Conter, who has a permit for his gun, had a witness who verified his account.
    Police believe Zenor was involved in a robbery outside another bar about half an hour before he was shot. That robbery victim's driver's license and credit card were found on Zenor.
    While Conter was not arrested, investigators' findings about the shooting will be given to the Marion County prosecutor's office, Bailey said.

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    I always carry whenever I'm in a bar (this is in Utah, and Nevada). It is entirely legal in these two states. I never drink a drop (I'm not a drinker), but sometimes end up at a bar to listen to the bands, eat dinner, etc..

    Other states should look at Nevada and Utah as examples. I have never heard of a single problem with a person drinking and carrying. I'm sure the media would be all over the story if it were ever to be an issue.

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    None of the stories I have seen mention anything about alcohol in the system of the shooter. Seems to be a non factor in the circumstances.

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    Who needs a gun at a bar?

    Apparently he did.

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    Well he did call the police so that is in his favor. He may have just panicked and split then realized he should call the police. Or he was drunk and was afraid of the legal consequences either from the shooting or a possible DUI for him. Either way I am glad to see the bad guy got what was deserved.
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    A little off the point, but this shows the lack of stopping power that the 9mm offers. The BG was shot FIVE times, and still didn't die until he was at the hospital. My personal feeling is that I would like to have to fire as few rounds as possible in a life and death situation, the fewer rounds in the air the better. I think it would be much better to pack a .45, so the the thug goes down with one or two shots.

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    VApatriot wrote:
    A little off the point, but this shows the lack of stopping power that the 9mm offers. The BG was shot FIVE times, and still didn't die until he was at the hospital. My personal feeling is that I would like to have to fire as few rounds as possible in a life and death situation, the fewer rounds in the air the better. I think it would be much better to pack a .45, so the the thug goes down with one or two shots.

    Just my one-fiftieth of a dollar.
    5 shots, but I wonder if any were COM or head ? I would think 9mm in those areas would have some effect. Perhaps I should try again, but I couldn't hit anything last time I shot a .45 ACP. Until then I'll use9mm and .357 Magnum.

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    Hard to judge without any facts as to the effectiveness of the 9mm in this case. Maybe the shooter was using FMJ ammunition or missed vital areas and anyhow the attacker didn't go anywhere after he was hit. Seems like he was shot enough to stop him and kill him eventually. Handguns are wimpy, just about anything out of a handgun is not a guaranteed stopper.

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    A .357 kicks WAYYYYYYYYY harder than Old slabsides

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    9mm vs. 45ACP

    I work in EMS. The attacker may very well have been DRT, but if EMS chooses to work it, then he may not have been "declared" dead until his arrival at the hospital, even if he was pulseless and apneic upon EMS making the scene.

    Then again, he may have lived. However, we don't know what he was shot with and where. Making a decision on whether to carry a 9mm or 45ACP based on this single report would be foolish.

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    nick89302 wrote:
    9mm vs. 45ACP

    I work in EMS. The attacker may very well have been DRT, but if EMS chooses to work it, then he may not have been "declared" dead until his arrival at the hospital, even if he was pulseless and apneic upon EMS making the scene.

    Then again, he may have lived. However, we don't know what he was shot with and where. Making a decision on whether to carry a 9mm or 45ACP based on this single report would be foolish.
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    Last week here in Vegas A man was shot once in the stomach with a 9mm and died at the scene.

    Its shot placement, not size of the ammo that matters.

    VApatriot wrote:
    A little off the point, but this shows the lack of stopping power that the 9mm offers. The BG was shot FIVE times, and still didn't die until he was at the hospital. My personal feeling is that I would like to have to fire as few rounds as possible in a life and death situation, the fewer rounds in the air the better. I think it would be much better to pack a .45, so the the thug goes down with one or two shots.

    Just my one-fiftieth of a dollar.

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    Bravo_Sierra wrote:
    Its shot placement, not size of the ammo that matters.
    Absolutely correct. Even a .22 will stop a bear (or criminal) with the right shot placement. In any case, even a smaller caliber weapon is better than no weapon when you need one.

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