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    Dan Engelhard (Senior Manager of Kitsap Mall) has stated Kitsap Mall is OFF LIMITS to any item that could be a weapon including guns (concealed or not). There is a rule book the security guards carry.

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    Are they posted? How would anyone know? Links?

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    They said they are posted on the main entrance. But, they don't have postings on individual stores doors. I havn't found any signs. He said they don't have to post all the rules, "I don't have to post all the rules at every portal into the store" they have pamphlets in the security booth inside.

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    And how did you come by this info? Were you stopped while OCing?

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    I was thinking about starting to open carry around Kitsap County (I live in Bremerton) so I called the Kitsap County Sheriff's office and they said its ok if i carried openly that there are no local restrictions, and I called the mall since that is one place I go frequently, I went to their website and called the

    MANAGEMENT TEAM:
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    (360) 698-2555 Phone
    (360) 692-0501 Fax
    Dan_Engelhard@macerich.com
    And he said they are not allowed. I have never seen signs so I am gonna check today. I will pick up this rule pamphlet too. If they have a sign I will take a picture. The guy got mad when I asked why it was not allowed if they didn't have a sign posted. He thought I was being difficult with him. He said its a good rule because there is no reason why a person should have a gun anyway.

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    Walmart Bremerton:

    I called Bremerton Walmart, and the Assistant Manager, Name sounds like (Dale Turpen or Turren) from the phone call. He said absolutely no guns are allowed in his Walmart. He said no open carry, and no concealed carry. He said if you were to buy a gun from his store you wouldn't beable to carry it out to the car yourself they have to have one of their people carry it out to the car for you. He said in his opinion there is no reason for a gun in his store and he will escort you out immediately and call the cops. He doesn't know if he has any signs up. I will look and post back. Walmart phone number: (360) 698-2889. I also called the Walmart headquarters, and they said they will call me back on the issue.

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    adamwa- please consider not asking anybody's permission anymore, LEOs and store managers included. Asking permission is like begging to be told "no."

    "Don't ask, don't tell" applies to OC jsut like concealed carry.

    If they are not posted, and it's legal, just open carry from time time.

    If a local store gives you a hard time for lawful conduct, then we organize boycotts and negative publicity.





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    Not asking permission seems to be a scarry idea when it comes to getting my concealed carry licensed revoked, and any possible jail time or fines. Target's 800 number told me there are no rules against firearms, and I will shop there now instead of the walmart or mall.

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    Adam,

    I can guarantee that your local WalMart manager is a rogue manager. Call the Corporate office in Bentonville and tell them that they have a rogue manager banning all guns from the premises in violation of corporate policy. They will straighten out the situation poste haste.

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    Not asking permission seems to be a scarry idea when it comes to getting my concealed carry licensed revoked, and any possible jail time or fines. Target's 800 number told me there are no rules against firearms, and I will shop there now instead of the walmart or mall.

    Um...Adam, can I ask you a question? What gave you the impression that open carry will get your license revoked?

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    adamwa wrote:
    Not asking permission seems to be a scarry idea when it comes to getting my concealed carry licensed revoked, and any possible jail time or fines.
    Huh? For carrying openly in walMart?

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    The WalMart assistant manager has obviously confused his employee policy with his store policy. It is against their policies for employees to carry weapons, but it shouldn't be that way for customers. Still, probably was better that you complied with his request than have a tresspassing charge against you.

    What really bothers me is that he said you couldn't even carry concealed. F that. The day WalMart has a smiling ex-special forces security force armed with automatic weapons that politely hand me a ballistics vest and helmet at the dooris the day I will entrust my safety to walmart. Until then, I'll be carrying in their stores and make my security my own business.

    And since when do I trust an underpaid and disgruntled WalMart employee to carry a purchased rifle to my car "for me"? To hell with that! I think you should write his boss and file a complaint, that he denied you your constitutional rights, and unless you can see an openly diplayed copy of the rules of WalMart, threaten to press charges against the Assistant Manager for Coersion.



    Oh, and never EVER assume a uniformed person with a badge is a cop, just because they're acting like they have authority. Many of the security guards will use as much authority as you let them, and try to act as if they were police officers. Ask for badge numbers, police or not, whenever anyone openly denies your rights.

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    expvideo wrote:
    The WalMart assistant manager has obviously confused his employee policy with his store policy.
    And by asking him, gun owners give him power - stop asking, start carrying, unless the place is conspicuously posted to begin with.

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    Well, BremertonWal-Mart called me back, and a different assistant manager Donald told me they have no rules against handguns for customers prohibiting open carry, or concealed carry of handguns. That he doesn’t know why the other guy said that. But, he also said that he didn’t recommend it. I now have district walmart Management set to call me back, to see if they need to hold training or not. Will keep you posted.

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    Today I plan on taking my first open carry trip. I plan on going to Safe-Way and getting some groceries. My wife thinks its a bad idea, but lets see if she lets me If I don't write back tonight send a lawyer

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    Best of luck! I recommend bringing your wife with you, as well as a summarized copy of the training bulletin that was sent to the Federal Way Police. Just since it's the first time, people will be less worried about you if you are with your wife.

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    Wonderful experience at Safe-Way. No problems no questions good service My wife is no longer worried. I bet her no one would say anything or come up to me. I won, I shouldn't really tell you what she has to do to me now since I won, but I'm gonna be happy I brought my wife, and my 2 year old son, and my 1 month old daughter.
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    Bake you a cake, right? Right? Or am I missing something

    I'm sure the little kid factor helped. It's good that your first run went so well. Good for you!

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    In the last few days I've open carried in safe-way, subway, gas stations, Olympic national forest, around the neighborhood, Jeep dealership, Hyundai dealership, port orchard park on the water, and I haven’t had any reaction from the public really. One guy at the jeep dealership curious what I did for a living, but then again they have asked that before when I wasn't open carrying. The parents didn’t run away at the park, the kids didn’t run away, hell even the drug dealer selling dope in the park didn’t run away. (now my wife decided she will carry more after seeing the drug dealers in the park, realizes she is never able to find a real safe place). I hate crime, Keep up the good work showing others the laws of the land, and My wife will let you know if I ever get arrested. Maybe it’s time to sign up for the NRA Now I’m not sure about the kitsap mall, or Bremerton Wal-Mart yet, since they both told me on the phone I couldn’t carry in there. (Yes, I don’t call anymore to ask first)

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    Local Lawyers

    if anyone knows any good gun lawyers, I would like to give my wife their info incase I get arrested for no reason.

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    Just a thought for you, I carry in my wallet in the clear window my ID, my CPL, and a card for an attourney. It's not really for me as much as it's for an officer. If I have to pull out my CPL, I casually flash a card that in big bold letters says "Attourney at Law". It tends to make any cop think twice about possibly violating your rights.

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    Update, Bremerton Wal-Mart Manager Gary, corrected the assistant manager, and said that open carry in Bremerton Wal-Mart was fine. I bought $150 worth of bullets while open carrying in Wal-Mart with no problem. Also open carried in Starbucks and Bulls Eye Shooter in Tacoma (range and store area). Keep up the good work guys.

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    Anyone wanna get together for some open carry. I have 2yr old if you have some kids that may wanna goto the park

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    District Walmart called me back, said that absolutely I could carry a gun on me, open or concealed. He said if too many people got scared and complained if I wouldn't mind leaving, I said sure. He also said He would call the Bremerton Walmart and make sure the managers put it out to everyone that guns are allowed for customers. Thanks Walmart, You just saved another customer.

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    First Time Told To Leave a store.... WALMART hehe. Bremerton walmart just told me to leave. I told them the laws, and how their manager, assistant manager, and regional superintendent told me it was ok. They are calling me back with further guidance. hehe. I would hate to have the job of going up to armed people and saying "excuse me, is that a gun?. Is that a real gun? are you an off duty cop? you can't have that in here" The security guy who called himself the APA said I couldn't carry in there because they had "jewelry and crack heads in their store" making it wrong for me to carry a gun. I told them i'm not even near the jewelry and the "crack heads" is one of the reason I carry a gun. I will let you know how this goes. They were friendly about it, not pushy and let me talk my part.

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