exceltoexcel
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I took a carry concealed class today, which was mostly information I have heard before.
This guy is one of the good guys, I completely respect him and I don't want you to think ill of him
The instructor informed us that open carry was not legal.
He had the code book THE WHOLE BOOK. I informed him that there is no law saying it is illegal to open carry anywhere but in your car or in Philadelphia WITHOUT a LTCF.
With the understanding that areas that prohibit guns prohibit them entirely open or otherwise and that we could argue exceptions but not that they look differently on how you carry in those instances. I.E. its just as legal or illegal to carry openly or concealed in a school, rather legal or not can be argued under lawful purpose.However, they make no exceptions based on form of carry.
I was told to look through the book for a law that allowed it, I informed him, respectfully but with intent to show that unless a law exists that prohibits an action thatthe action is legal,that there is no law that says I can pee standing up either.
I went through the major codes regarding firearm carrying, and pointed out the word concealed was used in all major passages except for the Philadelphia law which basically says no guns without a permit but doesNOT say you must carry concealed.
I also pointed out that aLTCF is issued only for concealed carry in the law regarding licencing, which I never knew, it says nothing about open carry.
Also that carrying firearms without a licence section SPECIFIES carrying concealed only and did not apply to open carry at all, as that term is not used.
I made note that in the law regarding car transport that it contained open carry in a car. Note the term OPEN is used here. This law is plastered in between the carrying firearms without a licence and licensing , so if they wanted to ban open carry they would have used the term "open carry" or "all firearms" in the unlawful to carry firearms section instead of specifying the word "concealed"
Then I asked what law could you be prosecuted under?.....
He went for, you guessed it, disorderly conduct and/or terroristic threats.
In the end I think we agreed to disagree but he knew there was no law forbidding open carry.
Not sure if I made any good arguments that would convince others in the class that I was correct,butI hung it out there for the class to hear.
Now I have a question for you guys, he said that you can carry a knife and pepper spray?
If I understand it correctly there is a law that prohibits carrying a knife baton club etc. but I couldn't find it in the new 2006 code book he had, so I kept my mouth shut completely on that one.
View opinions appreciated.
I took a carry concealed class today, which was mostly information I have heard before.
This guy is one of the good guys, I completely respect him and I don't want you to think ill of him
The instructor informed us that open carry was not legal.
He had the code book THE WHOLE BOOK. I informed him that there is no law saying it is illegal to open carry anywhere but in your car or in Philadelphia WITHOUT a LTCF.
With the understanding that areas that prohibit guns prohibit them entirely open or otherwise and that we could argue exceptions but not that they look differently on how you carry in those instances. I.E. its just as legal or illegal to carry openly or concealed in a school, rather legal or not can be argued under lawful purpose.However, they make no exceptions based on form of carry.
I was told to look through the book for a law that allowed it, I informed him, respectfully but with intent to show that unless a law exists that prohibits an action thatthe action is legal,that there is no law that says I can pee standing up either.
I went through the major codes regarding firearm carrying, and pointed out the word concealed was used in all major passages except for the Philadelphia law which basically says no guns without a permit but doesNOT say you must carry concealed.
I also pointed out that aLTCF is issued only for concealed carry in the law regarding licencing, which I never knew, it says nothing about open carry.
Also that carrying firearms without a licence section SPECIFIES carrying concealed only and did not apply to open carry at all, as that term is not used.
I made note that in the law regarding car transport that it contained open carry in a car. Note the term OPEN is used here. This law is plastered in between the carrying firearms without a licence and licensing , so if they wanted to ban open carry they would have used the term "open carry" or "all firearms" in the unlawful to carry firearms section instead of specifying the word "concealed"
Then I asked what law could you be prosecuted under?.....
He went for, you guessed it, disorderly conduct and/or terroristic threats.
In the end I think we agreed to disagree but he knew there was no law forbidding open carry.
Not sure if I made any good arguments that would convince others in the class that I was correct,butI hung it out there for the class to hear.
Now I have a question for you guys, he said that you can carry a knife and pepper spray?
If I understand it correctly there is a law that prohibits carrying a knife baton club etc. but I couldn't find it in the new 2006 code book he had, so I kept my mouth shut completely on that one.
View opinions appreciated.