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    I moved to NM about a month ago from Maryland. I have been studying the laws of the state.

    I started OC'ing today. It felt weird at first, but is growing on me. Just hard to get over the way guns are viewed here versusMD.

    I went hiking in Gila National Forest this morning. Nobody even seemed to notice. So after hiking and doing some Jeepin I headed back to Silver City for dinner. I stopped in Arbys, and it was crowded. I recieved not even a second glance. I love it. In MD the swat would have been called!

    For the curious, I carry a Glock 29 in a Don Hume 721 Double Nine with retention strap, and a Fobus paddle double magholder. I generally dress in jeans and a t-shirt or button down flannel as weather dictates.

    OC is great! Finally in a state that gets it!

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    Welcome, it must be a great change!! I couldn't imagine living in a place like MD or NY etc...

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    Thanks!

    It is a great deal different and very much appreciated. It is nice to see that some people still understand that guns are tools and not evil things to be scared to death of. Life is great here in NM.

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    KB3CGS wrote:
    I moved to NM about a month ago from Maryland. I have been studying the laws of the state.
    Don't forget to update your new address for the FCC.

    Welcome Todd, enjoy you new found freedoms!

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    I have updated my address and started a request for a vanity 5 call.

    Still Oc'ing around here and loving it. It is hard to get used to the lack of stares. Getting less self concious about it now and much more confident. Not seeing many others carrying around town, but have seen some other OC'ers up in the national forest.

    Here is a pic of my rig:

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    I have moved all over the country, and kept my same call since 1956. Just sorta stuck with me, I guess??

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    I plan on staying here for a long long time so I figured that I'd leave as much right coast behind as possible!

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    I open carried in AZ and WY a lot. I am worried about New Mexico. It seems cops are less intelligent there.... What do you think?

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    That profession (police) has never attracted the brightest people or even above-average intelligent people...that's just how it is. I remember once case a few years back where a policedepartment refused to hire a guy because he was "too intelligent"and I believe the Chief said a real intelligent person would be too bored with the job or something like that. IIRC, the guy sued but I don't recall what the result was or where that guy is today.

    I'd say NM cops are no worse/better than other states. We have some here in this town who should have been fired long ago with all the complaints they have in their personal records but that hasn't happened; how they passed the psychological testing I sure don't know. And the ones here don't know as much about laws as they should...so they inadvertently trample on one's civil rights...or maybe it's deliberate, I really don't know.

    I live in TX (El Paso)but occasionally travel to NM, mainly while crusing on my bike via the back roads up to Las Cruces (and more rarely Alamogordo). Some longer trips take me to visit my sister in Rio Rancho and I often come back via a big Eastern NM "loop" from Albuquerque to Clines Corner, then South to Roswell, East to Ruidoso/Cloudcroft, then back to El Paso (sometimes through Carlsbad instead of Ruidoso/Cloudcroft).

    Anyway,it just recently occured to me thatsince I AM in NM then, why not start OC-ing myself? As I have said, the more people OC-ing the better...so I may as well do my part, too. In fact, I just got a holster that will be just right for carry while on my bike.

    Consequently, I plan to start OC-ing as soon as I cross the state line into NM...and will come back here to report what happened...or didn't happen...as people have done here before re: their carrying adventures/misadventures. Fortunately, however, MOST of the reports I've read are positive experiences!

    Usually, my routine is tojust cruise around for a while and then stop at coffeeshops like Village Inn, Dennys or IHOP, so those would be the places where I would be encountering people close-up. Sometimes a visit to BestBuy, Office Depot or a supermarket like Albertsons is on my itinerary. And of course a gas station!

    Whatever,I believe I WILL OC from now on when I am in NM.

    -- John D.

    P.S. Has that bill been passed in NM yet allowing one to OC in a place that sells alcohol (like supermarkets, wherealcohol is not consumed) or did it not make it that far? Sorry for asking if this has already been made law.

    -- JD


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    Yes, it passed. But it will be effective as of July only. So, no gas stations or grocery stores for now. And even after July you cannot carry to places that sell alcohol for on premise consumption.

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    Count,

    Thanks for the info...I will avoid those places until June.

    How's the Village Inn in Las Cruces (Telshor and Lohman)? Is it posted?

    -- John D.


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    Don't know. I live in Texas...

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    I was of the understanding that this bill would allow only concealed carry in businesses that sell booze for off premises. Was it made to allow OC now instead of CC only?

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    I don't think so. I got a bitch email from Steve Aikens telling me to "stay out of NM politics" due to my efforts to try to include OC into the package by people calling the Senator who sponsored. He was becoming increasingly belligerant with each and every response I was sending back to him telling him my reasons.

    Rules for contacting me:

    Rule 1) Insisting that I stop doing something later on in the email, when you insult me as a "25 year old snot nosed know it all right" at the beginning, is likely to elicit laughter and an unwillingness to do what is asked out of general principle.

    Rule 2) Never ever assume I, as a lone person from out of New Mexico, have some sort of magic wand to destroy your bills. If your friends in the Legislature are so spineless that they're scared by a few calls from out of state, then they aren't really your friends.

    Rule 3) When you have a reputation to uphold, never send uppity emails that you don't expect to get posted all over creation. Thus far, I have decided not to post Steve Aikens' insulting emails to this forum or any other. Thus far......

    -Lonnie

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    KB3CGS,

    No...OC is still out. See Lonnie's post at http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum39/1328.html:

    "http://legis.state.nm.us/Sessions/07...nal/HB0588.pdf

    The bill passed and will be effective 7/1/2007. It will be for concealed carry ONLY and open carry will remain a felony."


    Lonnie,

    That'sshowing some class...not posting someone's personal e-mail even though it is despicable. Propernetiquette saysNEVER post someone's personal e-mails unless premission from that person to do so is received.

    Paraphrasing said personal e-mails, however, is certainly appropraite so people can judge the individual's sanity/manners/reasonableness (or lack thereof) for themselves.

    I don't know why some CC people are so against OC people.


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    Sigmund Freud said that fear of guns is a sign of sexual immaturity. That may be the explanation for opposing OC.

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    Count wrote:
    Sigmund Freud said that fear of guns is a sign of sexual immaturity. That may be the explanation for opposing OC.
    Aikens is not anti-open carry. I might disagree with his political tactics, he might act like an ass to people that he disagree with, but he's not anti-open carry.

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    Steve is very opinionated and if your opinion doesn’t agree with his, then he seems to assume you are wrong. This carries over into his CCW classes and recommendations. A friend used my 1917 Colt during his class and all SA could do was bad mouth it as too how it would break, etc. That 90 yr old gun functioned fine, while his rental guns failed twice. NM CCW allows carry of any gun same caliber or smaller than you qualified with. Thus .45 auto and revolver pretty well covers you unless you have a pair of 50s. I wouldn’t worry too much about his opinions.

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    KB3CGS wrote:
    I moved to NM about a month ago from Maryland. I have been studying the laws of the state.

    I started OC'ing today. It felt weird at first, but is growing on me. Just hard to get over the way guns are viewed here versusMD.

    I went hiking in Gila National Forest this morning. Nobody even seemed to notice. So after hiking and doing some Jeepin I headed back to Silver City for dinner. I stopped in Arbys, and it was crowded. I recieved not even a second glance. I love it. In MD the swat would have been called!

    For the curious, I carry a Glock 29 in a Don Hume 721 Double Nine with retention strap, and a Fobus paddle double magholder. I generally dress in jeans and a t-shirt or button down flannel as weather dictates.

    OC is great! Finally in a state that gets it!
    Silver City Town Ordinances... just an FYI from http://www.amlegal.com/nxt/gateway.d...:silvercity_nm

    § 132.049 PROHIBITED USES OF WEAPONS AND FIREARMS


    § 132.041 UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF A DEADLY WEAPON.



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    Hamil1 wrote:
    Silver City Town Ordinances... just an FYI from http://www.amlegal.com/nxt/gateway.d...:silvercity_nm

    § 132.049 PROHIBITED USES OF WEAPONS AND FIREARMS


    § 132.041 UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF A DEADLY WEAPON.

    Thanks for the information. Your links did not work for me though. I have never had any problem with the PD and I have been OC'ing while conversing with several. They only want to know what it is. NM is a no preemption state so I am curious if anybody else has read this ordinance and if it some how holds water. Thanks, Todd

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    Sorry the links did not work... the reading of the ordinances doesn't prohibit open carry... only concealed outside of the legal state statutes. I bring this to your attention because certain law enforcement officers in the town of Silver City will have you believe that it isn't legal to carry a loaded firearm. The state statutes nor SC ordinances say anything of the sort.
    § 132.041 UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF A DEADLY WEAPON.
    (A) Unlawful carrying of a deadly weapon consists of carrying a concealed loaded firearm or any other type of deadly weapon anywhere, except in the following cases:

    (1) In the person’s residence or on real property belonging to him or her as owner, lessee, tenant or licensee;

    (2) In a private automobile or other private means of conveyance, for lawful protection of the person’s or another’s person or property, while traveling;

    (3) By a peace officer in the lawful discharge of his or her duties;

    (4) By a peace officer in accordance with the policies of his or her law enforcement agency who is employed on a temporary basis by that agency and who has successfully completed a course of firearms instruction prescribed by the New Mexico law enforcement academy or provided by a certified firearms instructor who is employed on a permanent basis by a law enforcement agency; or

    (5) By a person in possession of a valid concealed handgun license issued to him or her by the Department of Public Safety pursuant to the provisions of§§ 29-19-1 through 29-19-13 NMSA 1978, the Concealed Handgun Carry Act.

    (B) Nothing in this section shall be construed to prevent the carrying of any unloaded firearm.

    (C) Whoever commits unlawful carrying of a deadly weapon is guilty of a misdemeanor.

    and

    § 132.049 PROHIBITED USES OF WEAPONS AND FIREARMS.
    (A) It shall be unlawful for any person to:

    (1) Fire or discharge any gun, pistol, rifle or other firearm of any description within the corporate town limits;

    (2) Fire or discharge any BB gun, air pistol, air rifle or sling shot within the corporate town limits.

    (3) Shoot or sling an arrow with a bow or any other device within the corporate town limits;

    (4) Throw any stone, rock or other propellant, missile or substance in any manner so as to be reasonably likely to cause injury to any person or property;

    (5) Carry a firearm while under the influence of an intoxicant or narcotic;

    (6) Endanger the safety of another or his property by handling a firearm, BB gun, bow, air pistol, air rifle or sling shot in a negligent manner; and

    (7) As a parent or guardian or other adult person having the care or custody of a child, permit any child under the age of 18 years to violate this section.

    (B) Division (A)(1) of this section shall not apply to the discharging or firing of any gun, pistol, rifle or other firearm in any firing range that meets all other standards imposed by law.

    (C) Division (A)(2) of this section shall not apply to air rifles, air pistols and BB guns that are discharged on any firing range that meets safety standards established and promulgated by the Police Department or target firing on private property owned or lawfully occupied by the person, or target firing on the property of another when properly authorized. Any shooting thereon must be conducted in a non-negligent manner so as to secure the safety of the inhabitants and their property.

    (D) Division (A)(3) shall not be construed to prohibit target firing of a bow that is discharged on any firing range that meets safety standards established and promulgated by the Police Department, or target firing on private property owned or lawfully occupied by the person, or target firing on the property of another when properly authorized. Any shooting thereon must be conducted in a non-negligent manner so as to secure the safety of the inhabitants and their property.

    (E) Divisions (A)(1), (A)(2) and (A)(3) shall not be construed to prohibit the use of a weapon in the valid exercise of the right of self-defense of person or property.

    (F) Divisions (A)(1), (A)(2) and (A)(3) shall not apply to any authorized police or police officer discharging any weapon or firearm in the lawful pursuit of duty.



    The town charter includes the following... which I include for amusement purposes.

    Section 11[36]. The council shall have power to provide for the extinguishment of fires; to establish and provide wells and cisterns; to regulate the fixing of chimneys and the flues thereof; to regulate the storage of gunpowder and other combustible materials; to provide for the inspection and weighting of hay; for the measuring of charcoal and other fuel; to regulate the size of bricks; for the inspection of other building material to be used or sold within said town; to levy and collect a tax on dogs, not to exceed three dollars per head; to prevent and punish for the firing of firearms, the galloping or furious driving of horses and mules, fighting, quarreling, Sabbath breaking, drunkenness, indecent and profane language, and all offenses against public decency and good order, within the corporate limits of the town; to provide for the election of town officers, for the removing from office of any person holding an office created by an ordinance; to fix the compensation of all town officers; to regulate the fees of jurors, witnesses and others for services rendered under this act, or any ordinances of the town.

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    Thanks for the clarification. The info was indeed interesting and the latter part was quite amuzing. Thanks for taking the time to post the full info.

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    Lonnie Wilson wrote:
    I don't think so. I got a bitch email from Steve Aikens telling me to "stay out of NM politics" due to my efforts to try to include OC into the package by people calling the Senator who sponsored. He was becoming increasingly belligerant with each and every response I was sending back to him telling him my reasons.

    Rules for contacting me:

    Rule 1) Insisting that I stop doing something later on in the email, when you insult me as a "25 year old snot nosed know it all right" at the beginning, is likely to elicit laughter and an unwillingness to do what is asked out of general principle.

    Rule 2) Never ever assume I, as a lone person from out of New Mexico, have some sort of magic wand to destroy your bills. If your friends in the Legislature are so spineless that they're scared by a few calls from out of state, then they aren't really your friends.

    Rule 3) When you have a reputation to uphold, never send uppity emails that you don't expect to get posted all over creation. Thus far, I have decided not to post Steve Aikens' insulting emails to this forum or any other. Thus far......

    -Lonnie

    Lonnie,

    You absolutely have my permission to post my emails to you, as long as they are posted in their entirety, and all three are posted. I stand behind every word today, just as I did when I emailed you.

    Bottom line is simple. If you don't reside in a state, and a POSITIVE change is being made to a firearms law, you have no business encouraging others to campaign AGAINST that change, unless of course, you're anti-gun. Being the person in New Mexico that has to work harder and longer, in an already difficult anti-gun climate in the legislature - I take tremendous offense to someone from outside my state creating even larger barriers to that legislation without consulting someone that LIVES IN THE STATE and understands why things are being done the way they are. If you don't give me that courtesy - don't expect anything but ire for how much more difficult you've made passing that legislation.

    As to open carry - I carry openly and concealed almost every day of my life. Of course that would be hard to see -- from Washington State, wouldn't it.

    Thaine, your information is not completely accurate. The 1917 Colt was DRY. I commented that since it was DRY junk that would probably fail - I'd buy it from the owner. Hardley bashing the gun as a shooter. Regards rental guns failed twice., I teach NEW SHOOTERS. When they chose to qualify with a .45 ACP, and have never shot before, limp wristing is not unusual. Though I honestly don't remember a class where there were two failures, it's certainly a possibility.

    Steve Aikens.


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    I was not aware that you could carry in National Parks. I know you cannot carry on Indian Reservations, though most do honor state laws if you leave the highway you are in a whole other ballpark. Definately a no-no around those casinos! But you can still carry in your car, concealed or not, loaded or not because in New Mexico your car is an extention of your house.

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