If you have to be armed in NY

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michael wrote:

I was born and raised in n.y. Long island to be exact. I now live in Florida. For years i wanted to get a pistol licence in n.y. and was discouraged, from the stories I've heard from friends that had them. My friend said he went to the store and bent down to get the paper and a woman saw his pistol in the holster in his waist band. She asked him if he was an officer? he replied no why? You shouldn't be carrying that you know! He kindly said to her that its my right and i have a licence. And I've heard of worse situations. And its like pulling teeth to get a pistol licence in n.y. It needs to change.

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About where?I lived in Wantagh for 13 years.

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Simple answer - move to Pennsylvania. Waiting until retirement? Your pension is not taxed in Pennsylvania.

Want to purchase a handgun, rifle or shotgun? Simply go to your local gun dealer, tell the person what you want, fill out a piece of paper, plop down your cash or plastic, and walk out with the item. No muss, no fuss, no permission from the authorities required.

Open carry, on foot, doesn't require a license, and it's legal. Want a license to carry concealed? (There are almost 600,000 Pennsylvanians licensed to carry concealed.) For the most part, pay a visit to the County Sheriff's office (no appointment necessary), fill out a one-page form, paythe license fee (varies between $19 and $45), have your picture taken, and then wait for the license. Depending on the county, it can be a quick as fifteen minutes, or as long as 45 days. Fingerprints? Not required. FBI background check? Not required. A three-page statement, supported by witness reports, as to why you "need" such a license? Not required.

Where can you not carry concealed? Court facilities, correctional facilities, K-12 schools, state parks, casinoes, and the Capitol Complex in Harrisburg. Note, bars and churches are not off-limits. Oh, paying a visit to a court facility while carrying your handgun? They've got to provide storage facilities for such. And, for retail places, if they have a "no guns" sign posted, it doesn't mean anything (I'm sure one or two places like that exist, but I've never seen any).

What if someone sees your handgun exposed? Gee, they've got problems, don't they. As previously stated, open carry is legal (supported by two Pennsylvania Supreme Court rulings).

I left New York City a long, long time ago, and never looked back.

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Pa. Patriot wrote:

I grew up in rural upstate NY and can never go back due to the politics.
It's a darn shame. I love my home town and homestead. People wonder why I despise the city and the scumbuckets that live there. Well other than the usual which you can experience yourself by going to the city it is that they completely ruined my beautiful state.
Yes I hold a grudge.:cuss:

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Kraut is that you ?

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thnycav wrote:

I'm from Upstate NY and I remember the gun law there. Make you jump through hoops I thin kit could be easier to get a top secret clearance form the Federal Government. Then after all that the last line in the law is that it is up to the desecration of the issuing officer. So even if you pass all the test if they do not want to give it to you will not have one.

I Live in Virginia now.

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"The determination whether to grant the license has been held to be completely within the discretion of the licensing officer. However, the licensing officer must state "specifically and concisely" in writing the reasons for such denial. A denial can be overturned in court only if shown to be "arbitrary and capricious." I have lived in Upstate NY all my life and have never had any of these problems you all speak of. I had all my paperwork in on Oct 31 and my permit was in the mail box on the 26th of November and yes it was the same year.

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Statkowski wrote:

Where can you not carry concealed? Court facilities, correctional facilities, K-12 schools, state parks, casinoes, and the Capitol Complex in Harrisburg. Note, bars and churches are not off-limits. Oh, paying a visit to a court facility while carrying your handgun? They've got to provide storage facilities for such. And, for retail places, if they have a "no guns" sign posted, it doesn't mean anything (I'm sure one or two places like that exist, but I've never seen any).

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K-12 schools are only off-limits if self-defense isn't a "lawful purpose". It's legal, but you'll need to put a lot of effort into proving that fact.

Otherwise, a decent plug for our good state.

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It is.

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Lthrnck wrote:

Your normal law-abiding citizen is not scared of laws. Your normal law-abiding citizen is scared of theconsequences of what will happen to them if they break the law.

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Have had this experience myself. I have a few smart friends from NY who even before I was aware of their awful gun laws were aware of weapons policies and tried to educate me well (one female friend has a love of bladed objects and was very smart about the weapon laws). When I realized how restrictive they were I was disappointed since I had always liked being in NY before that.

However most of the people I've met from NY are horribly misled. My fiance's grandmother is the nicest old lady you'll ever meet but her initial stance on guns was "If you own one you will go to jail." No qualifiers, no exceptions. Guns make her nervous; therefore gun owners are bad people. I'm not sure what her stance is on hunting guns but I suspect she must be somewhat more agreeable to that because her husband and son own(ed) rifles for years.

Since her grandson now owns several she has had to deal with it and has had the laws in NY vs PA (where we currently live) explained to her many times, and she STILL maintains that he is going to bring the entire US police force down upon his head for carrying a gun in public. -_-

This is what NY does to people, and this is why I'll never willingly move back.

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Today I went to the local bank, then our town's municipal building, a tobacco shop in the next town, the hardware store, the supermarket, and one other store, and I open carried all the way! No old ladies fainted or left puddles on the floor, nobody said a word (good or bad); I don't think anybody noticed at all. Blue shirt, tucked in, blue jeans, Hi-Point C-9 9mm Compact on my hip in a Fobus holster. Kind of hard to miss if you're looking.

Sorry you can't do things like that in New York. Like was said earlier, it's a New York state of mind.

Can't wait for my sister in-law to come for a visit from Connecticut. I'll be open carrying when I go to pick her up at the Amtrak station. She'll probably leave a puddle when she sees me with a pistol on my hip.

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Pegasus wrote:

Lthrnck wrote:

Your normal law-abiding citizen is not scared of laws. Your normal law-abiding citizen is scared of theconsequences of what will happen to them if they break the law.

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Have had this experience myself. I have a few smart friends from NY who even before I was aware of their awful gun laws were aware of weapons policies and tried to educate me well (one female friend has a love of bladed objects and was very smart about the weapon laws). When I realized how restrictive they were I was disappointed since I had always liked being in NY before that.

However most of the people I've met from NY are horribly misled. My fiance's grandmother is the nicest old lady you'll ever meet but her initial stance on guns was "If you own one you will go to jail." No qualifiers, no exceptions. Guns make her nervous; therefore gun owners are bad people. I'm not sure what her stance is on hunting guns but I suspect she must be somewhat more agreeable to that because her husband and son own(ed) rifles for years.

Since her grandson now owns several she has had to deal with it and has had the laws in NY vs PA (where we currently live) explained to her many times, and she STILL maintains that he is going to bring the entire US police force down upon his head for carrying a gun in public. -_-

This is what NY does to people, and this is why I'll never willingly move back.

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Haha, I read this post without reading who posted it and it sounded oddly familiar to the point where I was thinking "Do I have a brother I've suddenly forgotten about? This sounds like my grandmother..."

Everything Pegasus says here is true. My grandmother is nuts.

Edited to add: She has nothing against rifles for hunting purposes only. Any other purpose, in her mind, is verboten.

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lived in NY for over twenty five years until we moved to GA - my farther had a jewelry store in mid-town and got robbed many times at gun point and every time he would apply for a permit he was denied the right to protect himself eventually he closed shop realized his life was more valuable - what puzzles me is all the shootings reported in the inner cities my guess is only the bad guys and cops get to pack in NYC