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    I don't have the words. It doesn't say if he was a NH permit holder, even if he wasn't he could have open carried in a restaurant there although he would have been illegal in his car.

    A 22-year-old Webster man accidentally shot himself yesterday as he dismantled his gun while driving down Loudon Road, the police said. In the process, Robert Drown also hit a minivan and toppled the sign at the 7-Eleven, according to a witness. Drown was trying to place his gun in a safety mode when it went off, the police said. He was rushed to Concord Hospital with a serious gunshot wound to his thigh. He was listed in fair condition yesterday evening. The police said Drown was fortunate that he injured himself near a fire station and with an off-duty paramedic nearby.
    The accident happened just before noon as Drown was headed west on Loudon Road, according to Maj. Robert Barry. When his gun went off, Drown veered off Loudon Road and over the lawn of the nearby 7-Eleven. Drown stopped only when he hit the store's sign, according to a witness. The impact toppled the sign onto Drown's vehicle.
    "He never touched the brakes," said Jeremy Murphy, who witnessed the incident from the D'Angelo Sandwich Shop across the street, where he had just finished lunch with two friends.
    While veering off Loudon Road, Drown also glanced a mini-van, Murphy said. Murphy and his friends initially thought the bang they heard was Drown hitting the minivan, but they realized later it was Drown's gun firing.

    After hitting the sign, Drown got out of his SUV and ran for the fire station next door. Murphy and his friends noticed Drown's jeans were saturated with blood. About 20 feet from the station, Murphy saw the man collapse. "He had lost a lot of blood," Murphy said.
    Justin Putzel of Sullivan, an off-duty paramedic, saw Drown and stopped to help, Barry said. Staff from the Loudon Road fire station also responded. They were able to treat Drown quickly and get him to the hospital quickly.
    Murphy stayed behind to give the police an account of what he saw. The victim "told them he was dismantling his gun while driving and didn't know it was loaded," Murphy said. Barry said Drown told them that he was trying to secure the gun in a safe mode because he was going to leave it in his vehicle while he went to lunch.
    There was no one else in Drown's vehicle. No one else was injured, including the occupant of the minivan that Drown hit, the police said. Drown's family could not be reached yesterday.
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    Dumb ass doesn't even begin to describe it..............
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    What this guy did was certainly not very smart, but you have to wonder why he did it.

    "...he was trying to secure the gun in a safe mode because he was going to leave it in his vehicle while he went to lunch. "

    How many times every day do people do stupid things like needlessly handle firearms while driving either because they are required by law to do this (VA restaurant ban, national park ban, etc.), or because they don't know of, or aren't comfortable with, carrying a firearm in certain public places.

    If this guy was more comfortable carrying,and knew more folks who were comfortable, he might not have made this mistake.

    I have a theory that anti-gun attitudes in society makespeople more prone to doing stupid things with guns.

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    BU New Hampshire has no restaurant gun ban does it?

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    Not that I know of. It's almost hard to call this an accident because this guy made errors on so many levels. I hope he was a permit holder because if he wasn't he was illegally carrying a loaded weapon in his car then. There is also unneccessary handling of his gun, doing that while he was driving, trying to dissassemble it without checking that it was loaded, not keeping it pointed in a safe direction. Darwin almost strikes again.

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    Was he training for the Darwin All-Stars?

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    "While Driving..." Sheesh! Yes, LMC, Darwin comes to mind.

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    I never heard of a NH restaurant ban, but maybe he was going to a courthouse or some other prohibited place (usually govt. buildings). Yeah, he was stupid, but think of what drives such behavior. If he waited till he parked, then someone might see him fiddling with his gun and sticking it under the seat. He might not have a gun there when he comes back.

    All gun laws are counterproductive, even the "reasonable" ones. Any place, like a courthouse, that requires people to go unarmed, should also provide a place for people to check their guns in (with a receipt) just like people used to be able to check their hats.

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    In a way I agree with you, incidents like this one are unintended consequences of gun laws. I recently met a man who had unintentionally shot himself doing very nearly the same thing as the man in the story, and he was doing it to comply with the law as well. He was lucky and wasn't as severely wounded as this man.

    Maybe the lesson we should take away is that if we should ever find ourselves in a situation where handling a gun is neccessary to remain legal, stop, relax and concentrate solely on handling the firearm safely.

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    PaulB wrote:
    Any place, like a courthouse, that requires people to go unarmed, should also provide a place for people to check their guns in (with a receipt) just like people used to be able to check their hats.
    I agree as well -- I find myself taking my paddle holster out and off as I roll to a stop many times if where I am going does not allow OC/CC. Now, it is holstered so the risk of shooting myself is slim. But, someone watching me from the road or a vehicle higher than mine might think I am un-holstering my gun with intent to arm myself which could bring down an unwanted visit or stop from the law.

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    I agree that gun laws force law-abiding citizens to unnecessarily handle firearms. Many times I have pulled into a parking lot a few miles before my destination just to disarm and put my gun in my trunk (where I have a small safe). All because I am prevented by the law from taking my gun into my destination, and because I don't want anyone to see me leaving a $500+ gun in my trunk unattended.

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    Gun laws do more than require unnecessary handling, they intimidate many people into not owning guns, which in turn makes those who do less familiar with firearms and more prone to accidents and mistakes.

    Or so my half-brained theory goes.

    If, for example, New Jersey was to suddenly adopt VA's gun laws tomorrow, many people would still be afraid of handguns, and even those who started carrying would be too nervous to carry openly and might be more prone to do what the guy in the story did.

    Just my thought, no science to back up, I'm afraid.

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    I think you are hitting close to the truth, many people have an eroneous impression about the legality of guns and carry, not to mention their safety and functioning.

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    The last time I went to our Courthouse I left my gun and mags in my car and left my holsters on. Went through the metal detector and while the Deputy noticed my holsters, she never said a word.

    I'm considering putting a banana in my holster whenever I am forced to leave my weapon behind - just to show what I think of their silliness.

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    LoveMyCountry wrote:
    The last time I went to our Courthouse I left my gun and mags in my car and left my holsters on. Went through the metal detector and while the Deputy noticed my holsters, she never said a word.

    I'm considering putting a banana in my holster whenever I am forced to leave my weapon behind - just to show what I think of their silliness.

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    Around here you can't bring in food or drink either. I have OC'd an empty holster into a courthouse on many occasion.
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    VAopencarry wrote:
    LoveMyCountry wrote:
    The last time I went to our Courthouse I left my gun and mags in my car and left my holsters on. Went through the metal detector and while the Deputy noticed my holsters, she never said a word.

    I'm considering putting a banana in my holster whenever I am forced to leave my weapon behind - just to show what I think of their silliness.

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    Around here you can't bring in food or drink either. I have OC'd an empty holster into a courthouse on many occasion.
    "I've got a banana and I'm not afraid to use it!!"

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    Oh my god he's got a loaded banana!:shock:

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    Is that a banana in your holster or are you just happy to see me?:P



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    Well, I did it. The only place in town that has ever told me that I could not carry (and showed it to me in writing) was our local Library. Tonight I took my girls with me to get some books and videos. As our bastion of 1st Amendment supporters doesn't support the 2nd Amendment, I locked up my gun in the car and went in wearing...



    My girls thought it was great, but no one else commented on it. I must look like someone who likes to take his banana out for a walk. Oh well, I'll keep doing it until I get to explain it to someone in charge... or the guys with the big butterfly nets come to take me away.

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    LoveMyCountry wrote:
    Oh well, I'll keep doing it until I get to explain it to someone in charge... or the guys with the big butterfly nets come to take me away.

    LoveMyCountry
    I am betting on the butterfly nets.

    I like your style.

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    If they taught gun safety in the schools, maybe this wouldn't happen.

    Dang, what am I saying? If the schools taught gun safety, they'd botch it andthere'd be lots more of these accidents.

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    Hahahaha!

    Sadly, the topic of this thread shows us how Hospitals keep Darwin out of the picture.... If only..... Oh, how cruel of me. :-P
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    longwatch wrote:
    In a way I agree with you, incidents like this one are unintended consequences of gun laws. I recently met a man who had unintentionally shot himself doing very nearly the same thing as the man in the story, and he was doing it to comply with the law as well. He was lucky and wasn't as severely wounded as this man.

    Maybe the lesson we should take away is that if we should ever find ourselves in a situation where handling a gun is neccessary to ... stop, relax and concentrate solely on handling the firearm safely.

    That lesson isnot optional and should be learned before carrying. It is the barest minimum requirement for handling any firearm and would apply with or without any kind of regulatory/carry laws. The person in question who shot himself violated 3 of the 4 rules of firearm safety and he is utterly irresponsible for having done so.

    The applicable laws regarding legal carry are irrelevant to this shooter/shootee's error. A man can either handle a gun safely or he can not. How anyone cansee some ameliorating circumstances due to antis or carry regulations is beyond me.

    The fool shot his fool self by intentionially pulling the trigger on a loaded gun while it was pointed at his thigh.

    It doesn't get any stupider than that. Then, he lost control of his vehicle, sideswiped another car and crashed into a 7-Eleven sign, which was the only thing to stop his car. Not a very pretty representation of gun carriers everywhere...

    This goof with a gun is now up on charges:



    Shot driver accused of reckless conduct

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    March 28. 2007


    AWebster man who accidentally shot himself in January as he dismantled his gun while driving down Loudon Road has been indicted on reckless conduct charges.

    Robert Drown, 22, of Battle Street, was hospitalized but is now recovering from his injuries. After he shot himself in the thigh, Drown lost control of his vehicle, hit a minivan and toppled the sign at the 7-Eleven on Loudon Road, witnesses told the police.

    An indictment is a formal charge that allows the case to be scheduled for trial. Drown told the police that he was trying to put his .40-caliber Glock handgun in the safety mode while driving when it fired.

    Drown could face 3½ to 7 years in prison if convicted and given the maximum sentence. As a convicted felon, he'd also be prohibited from possessing firearms.
    http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070328/REPOSITORY/703280324


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    There will always be idiots, morons, and fools. Some of them will carry guns, sadly, but -- Some of them will be college professors, some will be EPA administrators, some will be little league coaches, some will be lawyers, some will be astronauts, some will be the mail man.

    Some will be president, some will be supreme court justices, some will fly commercial airliners, some will make movies with a $200 million budget. Some will be Wal-mart checkout clerks, some will be carpenters, some will be baseball superstars.

    So tell that to the Brady Bunch when they try to take your gun just because some idiot mishandled his gun.

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    Now I'm torn about this, should this man face felony charges and lose his gun rights for this incident? Now he could have killed someone, but this was after all an accident, and he suffered plenty of consequences from it IMHO.

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