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    1. *Urgent* Action Item - restaurant ban repeal
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    If you live in or around Senator Emmett Hanger's district (Albemarle
    County; Augusta County; Greene County; Highland County; Lexington
    City; Rockbridge County; Rockingham County; Staunton City; Waynesboro
    City), I urgently need you to email and to call his office ***NOW***
    to encourage him to **carry** the restaurant ban repeal this year!

    TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE AND THAT TIME IS EXTREMELY SHORT!

    If you want to get rid of that stupid ban, please do this ASAP.

    Phone: 804-698-7524

    email: district24@sov.state.va.us

    Suggested email:

    Dear Senator Hanger,

    Please carry a bill to repeal Virginia's ban on concealed handguns in
    restaurants that serve alcohol.

    The ban only affects concealed handgun permit holders, the most law
    abiding citizens in the Commonwealth.

    Thirty-six other states, representing over 3 million permit holders,
    trust their permit holders to carry in restaurants that serve alcohol.

    So should Virginia.

    Please let me know if you can help in this important matter.

    Sincerely,
    [YOUR NAME]
    [YOUR ADDRESS]

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    2. Great day for VCDL!
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    You are going to enjoy this - read on:

    We had a great turnout at the General Assembly today. We broke into
    groups by regions and lobbied Delegates and Senators from mid-morning
    to afternoon.

    The highlight of the day was when Senator Devolites Davis (Senator
    DD) held a press conference on her bill to close the non-existent
    'gun show loophole.'

    We decided that we should attend that press conference with our
    bright orange "Guns Save Lives" buttons.

    About 25 of us headed to the press conference and we outnumbered the
    bill's supporters!

    While waiting for the press conference to begin, the press cameras
    were panning our way and some of the press came over to interview us.

    The entire conference was taped by Matt Gottshalk, who is doing a
    professional promotional video for VCDL free of charge. I am SOOOOO
    glad Matt was there taping and I think you will agree:

    Senator DD said to the press, "This is not about taking away anyone's
    Second Amendment rights."

    After she spoke, the next speaker was S. Buford Scott with Scott &
    Stringfellow, an investment banking firm in Richmond associated with
    anti-gun BB&T (boy, is that a surprise).

    Mr. Scott proceeded to say that, "If the matter were left up to me, I
    would REQUIRE the registration of ALL firearms in the whole United States."

    He went on to state that he wanted us to be like Canada, where all
    guns are registered!

    FINALLY, the TRUTH from the dark side about their FULL agenda.

    I appreciate Mr. Scott's candor and will share it with the Senate
    Courts of Justice committee when the gun show bill comes before them!

    He then proceeded to come up with a survey where 85% wanted this kind
    of gun control and 82% wanted this other kind of gun control and on
    and on. All of his numbers were over 70% in favor of gun control!
    The firm that did the survey was here in Richmond and I was left with
    the impression that it was affiliated with either Mr. Scott or his
    firm.

    As soon as the press conference was over, the press headed over to
    interview VCDL, leaving Senator DD and the other antis standing there
    without much to do. ;-)

    Board member Bruce Jackson and I were surrounded by press. Bruce was
    in an optimum position relative to the location of the press and got
    most of the questions. He did a great job. EM Dave Van was also
    interviewed and handled it very well, appearing on FOX news in
    Richmond.

    We are going to post some great still photos from Lobby Day and also
    the video of Senator DD, Mr. Scott, and the Q&A that followed on the
    VCDL site. I will advise when you can view them.

    BTW, how do you know when VCDL is at the General Assembly? By this
    sound:

    BEEEEEEEP!.....BEEEEEEEEP!.......BEEEEEEEEP!...... .BEEEEEEEEEP!.....BEEEEEP!.......

    Jason Young sent this hilarious email to me tonight:

    --

    Philip,

    It was nice meeting you and the other VCDL members at the lobby day.
    While I felt lost most of the time it was interesting to see part of
    the lobby process. It is really impressive to see all the work the
    that VCDL puts into protecting all Virginians' 2nd Amendment rights.

    I was surprised at how easily a CHL holder could enter the General
    Assembly building. Most everyone had to put their pocket material in
    a dish for the x-ray machine. When I showed my CHP I was told to go
    through the metal detector and never had to put any of my stuff
    through the x-ray.

    My wife Hollie was right behind me and had elected to not carry. So
    she had to put her stuff through the machine.

    When the woman right behind us asked the attendant why I didn't have
    to put my stuff through the machine he said "he's got a gun".

    To that she said stunned "oh"....

    Regards,
    Jason Young

    --

    Here are links to the many stories on that press conference that are
    ALREADY posted. I expect there might be a more detailed on from the
    Richmond Times Dispatch on Tuesday:

    http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=1033239

    WTOP

    ...Supporters of the bill, introduced by Sen. Jeannemarie Devolites
    Davis, R-Fairfax, say it would prohibit guns from falling into
    criminals' hands...

    Opponents say the bill would unduly burden gun dealers, who must keep
    records of background checks in case the gun ever is used in a crime.
    It also would take time away from their customers at a gun show to
    run the check, said Bruce Jackson, a board member for Virginia
    Citizens Defense League.

    "I'm going to come to you and I'm going to give you five bucks, and
    you now have to maintain records for me for the next 20 to 25 years
    for five dollars. I mean, it's just not worth it to the dealer," said
    Jackson, who wore an orange "GUNS Save Lives" button on his lapel and
    was joined by about 20 gun dealers and league members...

    http://tinyurl.com/vvex8

    Daily Press

    ...Sen. Jeannmarie Devolites-Davis, R-Fairfax, said this morning that
    lawmakers should close a legal loophole that allows unlicensed
    dealers to sell guns without conducting the checks. It makes it
    all-too-easy for criminals to get firearms, she said...

    Gun-rights activists say few guns are sold through unlicensed dealers
    at gun shows. In many cases, the "dealer" is a private citizen who
    simply wants to sell one or two firearms from a personal collection.

    Philip Van Cleave of the Virginia Citizens Defense League said
    federal statistics show that few guns sold at gun shows are actually
    linked to crime...

    http://www.wric.com/Global/story.asp?S=5941253

    WRIC (Richmond)

    ...Sen. Jeannemarie Devolites-Davis, R-Fairfax says, "This is not a
    bill about taking away anyone's second amendment rights, this is
    about making sure upstanding citizens possess firearms. Those that
    are criminals do not."

    Sen. Devolites-Davis is sponsoring Senate Bill827, she calls it a
    common sense law.

    According to the group, Virginians Against Handgun Violence, between
    22 and 35 percent of the sellers at gun shows in the state are
    unlicensed private sellers. [They must be including people selling
    hot dogs, jewelry, and other non-firearm related things - PVC]...

    ...8NEWS also spoke with members of the gun rights group, "Virginia
    Citizens Defense League." They tell us the bill is a solution looking
    for a problem. They point to a Department of Justice report that
    found guns bought from gun shows account for less than one percent of
    weapons used in crimes.

    Bruce Jackson of Virginia Citizens Defense League says, "If you're a
    regular dealer of firearms and you do not have a license from the ATF
    -- you go to jail. You get arrested and go to jail. Someone like me,
    who sells firearms to a friend, they're trying to make that illegal"

    The group also says the bill would also be a burden to private
    sellers who would have to find a dealer to perform a background check
    before they can sell a weapon.

    http://tinyurl.com/y8mcmj

    Richmond Times Dispatch

    A Fairfax Republican will carry this year's version of a measure that
    would close the so-called gun show loophole in Virginia. State Sen. Jeannemarie Devolites Davis, R-Fairfax, is sponsoring the
    bill that gun control advocates contend would close what they call a
    loophole that allows people to buy firearms from unlicensed dealers
    without a background check at gun shows. Similar measures have died
    in past legislatures -- last year, a proposal pushed by state Sen.
    Henry L.Marsh III, D-Richmond, died in the Senate Courts of Justice
    Committee.

    Davis described her bill "as not about taking away anybody's Second
    Amendment rights" but a "commonsense bill."

    Opponents -- which include the Virginia Citizens Defense League --
    counter the measure isn't needed, would pose undue burdens on gun
    sellers and believe it's the first step toward national gun
    registration.

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    A great start! But now the heavy lifting starts and VCDL needs YOUR
    help. Things are really going to get hectic for the next few weeks,
    so check your emails as often as possible for urgent and important
    action items.
    "Each worker carried his sword strapped to his side." Nehemiah 4:18

    Guns Save Lives. Paramedics Save Lives. But...
    Paramedics With Guns Scare People!

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    Done!

    Plus the NRA-alert one that identified the senators voting in committee tomorrow.


    Thanks for the post.
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    I happen to be off of work on Thursday. Originally, I needed to take my dog in for a shot, but he ended up getting it early. Is there any value in me lobbying or being present at the General Assembly this Thursday? If so, I'll be there, if someone provides a little guidance as to how I can be of service.....

    Brandon

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    SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
    I happen to be off of work on Thursday. Originally, I needed to take my dog in for a shot, but he ended up getting it early. Is there any value in me lobbying or being present at the General Assembly this Thursday? If so, I'll be there, if someone provides a little guidance as to how I can be of service.....

    Brandon
    Yes! very much so. This thread by Longwatch has some more details about the bills and the sub-committee.

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/1232.html
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    I'll be at the General Assembly by 10:30 a.m. or so, after my oil is changed. Would anyone like to meet me there to provide some guidance?

    Brandon

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    Since yesterday was my first day ever lobbying, I am not qualified to give guidance. If you see the thread I posted above. The sub committee hearing all the 'gun' bills does not start until 5 p.m. 7th floor west conference room.

    There will probably be some VCDL folks there. More info will be forthcoming I think.
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    paramedic70002 wrote:
    The highlight of the day was when Senator Devolites Davis (Senator
    DD) held a press conference on her bill to close the non-existent
    'gun show loophole.'

    * * * * *
    The entire conference was taped by Matt Gottshalk, who is doing a
    professional promotional video for VCDL free of charge. I am SOOOOO
    glad Matt was there taping and I think you will agree:

    I would be very interested if somebody knows where I could get a video or audio clip of the original news conference where Sen. DD announced this bill and (coincidentally) responded to Chap Petersen's announcement that he would be running againstthe esteemed Senatorin November.

    Does anyone have a line on that clip, or a contact with the local press where I could geta tape? I solemnly swear that I am up to no good!



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    Donkey - You may try this link

    http://www.vcdl.org/Lobby_Day_07/Davis.mov

    It's on the VCDL website. I have not had the chance to view it yet. You may get some help by contacting VCDL directly, too. While you're there, sign up for the VA Alerts.

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    I did catch where DD was attacking Chap from the left for not representing his constituents and being to progun and seeking to impress the residents of SWVA. Though I can't see how you can attack her Donkey, Jim Webb took the same position IIRC.:P

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    longwatch wrote:
    I did catch where DD was attacking Chap from the left for not representing his constituents and being to progun and seeking to impress the residents of SWVA. Though I can't see how you can attack her Donkey, Jim Webb took the same position IIRC.:P
    You mean the NRA survey?

    Igotan NRA-ILA Action Alert today talking about howSen. Devolitis-Davis's bill was gun registration on the sly. So unless the NRA haschanged its position,NRA seems to perceive that what Sen. DD is doing is different than the position NRA expressed in its survey.

    Sen. DD made a big mistake when she decided to make this the highlight of her campaign. Both of the Davises underestimate the pro-gun community in NoVa.

    I noticed that in the bill summary it mentions thatSen. DD's billimmunizesgun sellersfrom civil liability if they participate in an instant check. I find that problematic, and wonder if you share my concerns.

    Oh yeah, I should mention that "Sportsmen for Webb" is on hiatus for the next 4 years or so, so thislittle Donkeyis free tokick whoever's ass it pleases!

    The Donkey

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    Indeed they do underestimate us. I've already decided to help Chap, and I'm a republican who doesn't even live in her district. As for the NRA it is their usual tell the membership one thing and do another. (Where is the puking smilie?)

    Edit to add: You know if DD was doing this bill and agreed with the NRA on everything else she could still get an NRA A rating.

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    DoubleR wrote:
    Donkey - You may try this link

    http://www.vcdl.org/Lobby_Day_07/Davis.mov

    It's on the VCDL website. I have not had the chance to view it yet. You may get some help by contacting VCDL directly, too. While you're there, sign up for the VA Alerts.
    The videoclip that I am looking for is of Sen. DD's press conference on January 3, referenced in the article below that I got from VCDL's action alerts:



    Former Delegate Seeks to Unseat Devolites Davis
    Petersen Says Husband-Wife Politicians Create Conflict

    By Lisa Rein
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Thursday, January 4, 2007; B10

    Former delegate J. Chapman "Chap" Petersen announced yesterday that
    he will challenge Republican Jeannemarie Devolites Davis for her
    state Senate seat in November, a big-bucks matchup that could be one
    of Virginia's marquee political races.

    The campaign to represent Fairfax County's 34th District kicked off
    with a personal attack as Petersen (D-Fairfax) declared that
    Devolites Davis and her husband, Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.),
    have a concentration of influence in Northern Virginia politics that
    is unhealthy.

    "As the top two officials in this area, that's too much power
    concentrated in the hands of one married couple," said Petersen, a
    lawyer and two-term delegate from Fairfax City who lost the
    Democratic primary for lieutenant governor last year. "I don't think
    it's democratic. It bothers me that sometimes that type of
    relationship breeds cynicism."

    Petersen, 38, said Davis's position representing parts of his wife's
    state Senate district in Congress creates a conflict.

    "To think that our congressman has the power to make or not make
    distributions to localities or funding decisions that affect
    transportation projects in Northern Virginia . . . there's a conflict
    there," he said.

    ...

    With each candidate trying to appeal to moderate voters, partisan
    labels were already rubbing off yesterday. Devolites Davis trumpeted
    her leadership on legislation creating health-care benefits for poor
    children and regulating assisted-living facilities. She pointed to
    Petersen's "anti-gun control" record against measures to ban guns in
    libraries and on school property.

    "He was putting potential voters in Southwest Virginia ahead of the
    constituents who elected him to represent them," she said.

    ...


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    You might have to go to a media outlet. Unfortunately VCDL wasn't present at that announcement.

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