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habeas corpus is not a right
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Tomahawk
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He's a great attorney general, especially if you're the power-mongering politician he happens to work for.
EDIT: for a non-sarcastic answer to your question, he is attorney general because Bush likes his attitude and Congress rubber-stamped his appointment in order to not rock the boat. None of those people in DC have your rights or interests in mind.
He's a great attorney general, especially if you're the power-mongering politician he happens to work for.
EDIT: for a non-sarcastic answer to your question, he is attorney general because Bush likes his attitude and Congress rubber-stamped his appointment in order to not rock the boat. None of those people in DC have your rights or interests in mind.
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Tomahawk wrote:
Tomahawk wrote:
Have you seen the transcripts though? Congressmen were puzzeled by his logic. I guess gun ownership is not a right, as wellHe's a great attorney general, especially if you're the power-mongering politician he happens to work for.
EDIT: for a non-sarcastic answer to your question, he is attorney general because Bush likes his attitude and Congress rubber-stamped his appointment in order to not rock the boat. None of those people in DC have your rights or interests in mind.
Tomahawk
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Brigdh wrote:
Correct. Nothing in the Bill of Rights is a right according to Gonzales, because those ammendments merely protect the rights, not bestow them upon you. So, it says "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", but it doesn't say "every person has the right to keep and bear arms". So Gonzales can ignore the right to keep and bear arms with immunity, because you can't infringe something that doesn't exist.
It's brilliant, when you think about it! Once the statists (including Spectre) catch on to this, they can ignore ALL our rights at will, and feel good about it.
It reminds me of R.H. Heinlein in Starship Troopers, in which one character explains that you have no right to anything unless you can take that right by force. For instance, a drowning man alone in the sea hasno right to live unless he learns to swim and survive. It's the "state of nature", dog eat dog.
We Americans tried to provide a safety net for that by writing a BOR which protects you from artificial (man-made)infringement of rights using a system of laws and courts.
Gonzo and gang are destroying that system and returning us to the might-makes-right bad old days. As it stands now, your only means of exercising your right to keep and bear machine guns without permission is to be an outlaw. Thanks to Gonzo et al that outlaw mentality will apply to most or all of our rights, including the right to not be put in jail by the boss for no reason whatever.
Brigdh wrote:
Tomahawk wrote:Have you seen the transcripts though? Congressmen were puzzeled by his logic. I guess gun ownership is not a right, as wellHe's a great attorney general, especially if you're the power-mongering politician he happens to work for.
EDIT: for a non-sarcastic answer to your question, he is attorney general because Bush likes his attitude and Congress rubber-stamped his appointment in order to not rock the boat. None of those people in DC have your rights or interests in mind.
Correct. Nothing in the Bill of Rights is a right according to Gonzales, because those ammendments merely protect the rights, not bestow them upon you. So, it says "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", but it doesn't say "every person has the right to keep and bear arms". So Gonzales can ignore the right to keep and bear arms with immunity, because you can't infringe something that doesn't exist.
It's brilliant, when you think about it! Once the statists (including Spectre) catch on to this, they can ignore ALL our rights at will, and feel good about it.
It reminds me of R.H. Heinlein in Starship Troopers, in which one character explains that you have no right to anything unless you can take that right by force. For instance, a drowning man alone in the sea hasno right to live unless he learns to swim and survive. It's the "state of nature", dog eat dog.
We Americans tried to provide a safety net for that by writing a BOR which protects you from artificial (man-made)infringement of rights using a system of laws and courts.
Gonzo and gang are destroying that system and returning us to the might-makes-right bad old days. As it stands now, your only means of exercising your right to keep and bear machine guns without permission is to be an outlaw. Thanks to Gonzo et al that outlaw mentality will apply to most or all of our rights, including the right to not be put in jail by the boss for no reason whatever.
Tomahawk
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I am not holding out any hope for that.
The only thing you can say is that in a democracy the masses get the government they deserve. So, if Hillary gets the job, we collectively "deserve" her. Individually we are hosed, I'm afraid.
But our successes at the state level could filter upward sooner or later, who knows. Optimism may be stupid, but it makes it easier to sleep at night.
I am not holding out any hope for that.
The only thing you can say is that in a democracy the masses get the government they deserve. So, if Hillary gets the job, we collectively "deserve" her. Individually we are hosed, I'm afraid.
But our successes at the state level could filter upward sooner or later, who knows. Optimism may be stupid, but it makes it easier to sleep at night.