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    I find it truly amazing that people go about their daily lives UNPREPARED, thinking this could never happen to them.

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    Gunman Opens Fire at Trolley Square; Six Dead
    February 12th, 2007 @ 10:00pm
    KSL Team Coverage/AP
    A man wearing a trench coat and toting a shotgun walked into a crowded Trolley Square tonight in Salt Lake City and opened fire. He killed five people before he was shot and killed.
    "I was working and all of a sudden I heard a shot and I saw security run by. I didn't really know what was going on. People just started running," a witness named Maya said.
    Five shoppers were killed. Others were wounded. Hundreds more ran into the streets before the gunman was shot and killed. The chaos at the mall erupted at 6:45 p.m. Witnesses told us they saw the gunman, heard the shots and screaming, and saw the wounded.
    "We have six fatalities (including the gunman) and multiple victims at hospitals," police Detective Robin Snyder said. "They were found throughout the mall. I don't know male or female or ages."
    Fifth South and Sixth South are shut down around Trolley Square tonight. Northbound lanes on Sixth East and Seventh East are closed.
    Salt Lake police are encouraging anyone who was inside the mall at the time of the shooting, who may need counseling, to call Valley Mental Health at 261-1442.
    Barbara Lund was working in a store. "We heard the gunshots. They were pretty loud. Then one of my friends came out and told me there were gunshots there."
    Matt Lund, Barbara's husband, said he saw a woman's body face-down at the entrance to Pottery Barn Kids. He locked himself and four others inside a storage room for about 40 minutes, isolated but still able to hear the violence.
    Marie Smith, 23, had the day off from Bath & Body Works but stopped there during an errand and saw the gunman shoot a woman in front of the store.
    "He was ahead of her, standing still. I don't think she saw that he had a gun," said Smith, who dashed to a bathroom and locked the door.
    The terror seemed to begin in the parking lot near the Williams Sonoma store. Two brothers leaving the mall saw a wounded youth taking shelter in a car.
    "The young boy, he ran and jumped in a car. He'd been shot on this side, and his ear looked like meatloaf."
    As the gunman entered the mall, he started blasting away with a shotgun. Fear and confusion spread. Police arrived within a few minutes. Hundreds of shoppers and workers took cover, hiding wherever they could. Some heard the final confrontation.
    "We heard them say, 'Police! Drop your weapon!' Then we heard shotgun fire. Then there was a barrage of gunfire," Matt Lund, 44, said. "It was hard to believe."

    Witnesses reported dozens of shots, perhaps 50 or more. And then silence. As some were cleared to leave by police, they saw the gunman's shotgun shells scattered around in front of shops.
    "As we were running towards the north side of the building, we looked to our left and there was glass shattered all over the floor next to the escalators. And maybe, it was so quick, but maybe ten bodies lying on the ground," said witness Clifton Black.
    Melinda Gurr added, "We were rushed out pretty quickly. We saw a bunch of bodies heaped on the floor, and there was glass everywhere. A pretty gory sight."
    "It was really just scary. I wanted to get out of there," Black said.
    Salt Lake City police Detective Robin Snyder said many employees and shoppers -- "a lot of scared people" -- still were inside at 9 p.m. MST, hunkered down and waiting for a police escort. "This is a huge area to cover," she said.
    An antique-store owner, Barrett Dodds, 29, said he saw a man in a trench coat exchanging gunfire with a police officer outside a card store. The gunman was backed into a children's clothing store.
    "I saw the cops go in the store. I saw the shooter go down," said Dodds, who watched from the second floor.

    Victims have been transported to several area hospitals. Some of the more seriously injured were taken to University Hospital.
    At least four people were hospitalized. Two men in critical condition -- one 50 and another 16 -- were at University Hospital, spokesman Chris Nelson said. Another two people -- one in critical and one in serious -- were at LDS Hospital, said spokesman Jess Gomez.
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    University of Utah Hospital
    Critical Condition
    50-year-old male
    16-year-old male
    LDS Hospital
    Critical Condition
    one patient
    Serious Condition
    one patient
    Salt Lake Regional Hospital
    Pregnant woman treated for psychological trauma
    A woman who is 32-weeks pregnant was taken to Salt Lake Regional Hospital because of severe psychological trauma.
    When one of our KSL crews arrived at Trolley Square, groups of people were huddled on the corners. They'd been evacuated and were waiting in the cold to be reunited with family, or to get their cars out of the parking lot, or their personal belongings.
    We talked to a lot of those people. All were in different stores at the time of the shooting, but all heard the same thing.
    "I heard the gunshot and I saw the security guards run."
    "Just heard this bang. Bang, bang, bang. It was just like random shots going off."
    "We heard what sounded like big balloons, boxes being stamped on. You never expect gunshots. Then heard the glass doors being shot out, and the gunman coming through there. We all screamed and ran and hid in the store."
    "So we said to the owner of the store, 'Lock the doors. Lock the doors.' She did, and she turned the lights out so it looked like the store was closed."
    Police eventually gathered all the witness inside Hard Rock Cafe to question them about what they saw.
    As people ran from the mall for their lives, people also flocked to Trolley Square to see for themselves what was happening.
    As KSL's Sam Penrod walked up to the scene, less than an hour after the shooting started, people were in tears and in shock, just wondering if this was really happening. They were also waiting for some kind of an indication that it was safe again. The victims who were inside the mall at the time of the shooting and ran for their lives just stood around, almost in disbelief. Many of them witnessed the shooting, they heard the shots, they saw people running and screaming to get out.
    They told us they waited for the police to get here. The sight of the police cars was a huge relief, knowing that something could be done to end this nightmare.
    With all the commotion, neighbors started coming out of their houses to see what was happening. Soon, fire trucks and ambulance after ambulance came to the scene. So did police officers. More than an hour after the shooting, reinforcements continued to arrive.
    For those who were here tonight, it's been terrifying and traumatizing. People are going to need time to heal emotionally, to recover from such a terrible night.
    Police have not identified the gunman or a motive.

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    A sad incident. Makes you wonder what might have happened of only one of the civilians in the mall had been legally armed.

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    markand wrote:
    A sad incident. Makes you wonder what might have happened of only one of the civilians in the mall had been legally armed.
    Apparently, an off-duty police officer was legally armed, and he is being hailed as a hero forpinning the shooter down until more police arrived.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17124042/

    Obviously this avoids the discussion of civilians with guns, because in this case it was one of the "special" people who are supposed to haveguns. I'm just glad someone was there to help keep the damage to a minimum. Mall security ran for their lives (according to many witnesses). It takes someone with the right tools available to stop an attack like this. I carry such a tool every day and hope I never have to use it.

    --Sandy (WA)

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    Utah gunman, 18, was Bosnian Muslim refugee
    Killed 5 in crowded shopping mall before being gunned down

    Posted: February 13, 2007
    7:29 p.m. Eastern



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    The 18-year-old gunman who killed five people in a crowded Utah shopping mall was a Bosnian Muslim refugee who was prepared to kill many more, say investigators.
    An off-duty police officer having an early Valentine's Day dinner with his wife was credited today with cornering Sulejmen Talovic, exchanging fire with him until other officers arrived to shoot and kill the gunman.
    The trench-coated teenager wanted to "to kill a large number of people" and probably would have killed many more if not for the off-duty officer, Police Chief Chris Burbank said.
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    A friend said Talovic was from the war-torn country of Bosnia and that the trauma he experienced while growing may have led to him snapping for some reason.
    Ken Hammond, an off-duty officer from Ogden, north of Salt Lake City, jumped up from his seat at a restaurant after hearing gunfire and cornered the gunman, exchanging fire with him until other officers arrived, Burbank said.
    "There is no question that his quick actions saved the lives of numerous other people," the police chief said.
    Police said it was not immediately clear who fired the shot that killed Talovic.
    Talovic had a backpack full of ammunition, a shotgun and a .38-caliber pistol, police said. Investigators knew little about Talovic, except than he lived in Salt Lake City with his mother, the chief said. He was enrolled in numerous city schools before withdrawing in 2004, the school district said. Initially, police refused to release his name or any information about his background.
    Talovic drove to the Trolley Square shopping center – a century-old former trolley barn with winding hallways, brick floors and wrought-iron balconies, and immediately killed two people, followed by a third victim as he came through a door, Burbank said. Five other people were then shot in a gift shop, he said.
    Four people who were wounded remained hospitalized today, two in critical condition, two in serious.
    Outside the mall, candles and flowers were left as memorials to the victims.
    Hammond's boss, Ogden Police Chief Jon Greiner, said the state Senate wants to honor him.
    "Thank goodness he was there," said Greiner, who is also a state senator. "You don't want to ever say it's good we were there and killed somebody, but it's probably good someone was there."
    Accountant Jeff Barlow was on a date at a restaurant when he looked outside and saw the gunman firing from the hip. "I thought it was some kind of joke – some kind of movie or stunt," Barlow said. "I didn't believe it was happening. And then I saw a man go down in a courtyard. I realized this was serious. These are real bullets flying around." David Dean, who owns a greeting-card store at the mall, said three or four people died inside his store, which was packed with Valentine's Day shoppers.

    Notice how the mainstream media left out he was a muslim.

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    sandy wrote:
    markand wrote:
    A sad incident. Makes you wonder what might have happened of only one of the civilians in the mall had been legally armed.
    Apparently, an off-duty police officer was legally armed, and he is being hailed as a hero forpinning the shooter down until more police arrived.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17124042/

    Obviously this avoids the discussion of civilians with guns, because in this case it was one of the "special" people who are supposed to haveguns. I'm just glad someone was there to help keep the damage to a minimum. Mall security ran for their lives (according to many witnesses). It takes someone with the right tools available to stop an attack like this. I carry such a tool every day and hope I never have to use it.

    --Sandy (WA)

    Based on the Trolley Square incident I have thought of many ways how to improve protection in possible scenarios like this one and also be able to identify myself along with possibly assisting law enforcement. I apologize ahead if I get alot of "something" about what I am about to share.

    Last night my wife & I went into RC Willey in Salt Lake City located @ about 2100s & 3rd west. Thinking ahead, I know that this store is a little bit warm @ times and was wondering how I could Open Carry in there. Upon arrival I saw So SLPD vehile outside. (This store ALWAYS has an Officer @ this location for some reason).

    As my wife and I walked inside, I had my coat on, I saw an RC Willey sales associate and the Officer conversing, I approached them and we exchanged "HI's".

    My wife and I passed by and about 20ft away I turned around and walked back to the RC Willey sales associate and the Officer conversing, said "-Hi" again and they responded back again.

    Looking @ the RC Willey sales associate I asked what the store Policy is concerning Open Carry and He just looked @ me not knowing what I was talking about.

    I looked over to the Officer and he smiled and said "-That's OK. You Know the rules". He said that he saw that I CCW'd to the RC Willey sales associate. The Officer just smiled like nobodies business,I walked away with my coat in my hand . The Officer NEVER asked for DL and/or CCW id's.

    As we were leaving the Officer expressed gratitude for sharing my CCW and approaching cuz as he said "-That I could be there for possible assists & easier provide my description if needed as an assistance( I guess so that I would not be shot by mistake by other LEO's ".

    ( I know that I UT we only need to Id CCW and DL if approach by an Officer, but I felt that this was good opportunity to work together, Obviously the Officer agreed)

    I myself, feel that CCW's & LEO's should make the gap closer, and helping eachother so that unfortunate incidents like Trolley Square could have a lesser impact on people being killed.

    I think LEO's should step up and tell Malls and other establishments to take down their signs or to change them so that CCW's can Carry in the Establishments.

    (Of course comments are welcomed)


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