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    Im currently 18 and have lived here all my life. About to turn 19 next month and really like firearms. I was just wondering how all of the transfering stuff works. I know the law says that you have to be 21 to buy a handgun, but I have been seeing post about 19 year old who open carry. Does someone else purchase the firearm then transfer ownership to me, and then its legal for me to possess? Are there any website you guys can point me to with more information on the NM gun laws(beside Bradycampaign)

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    brice489 wrote:
    Im currently 18 and have lived here all my life. About to turn 19 next month and really like firearms. I was just wondering how all of the transfering stuff works. I know the law says that you have to be 21 to buy a handgun, but I have been seeing post about 19 year old who open carry. Does someone else purchase the firearm then transfer ownership to me, and then its legal for me to possess? Are there any website you guys can point me to with more information on the NM gun laws(beside Bradycampaign)
    The "transfering" issue can get REAl shady, REAL fast. In some states, a person can 'gift' you a firearm legally, and then it is considered yours. Some states let you buy handguns in private sales as long as you are 18. BUT...

    If you give money to someone for the sole purpose of them buying you a handgun, that is illegal. It is called a "Straw Purchase". On the form you fill out when you buy a gun, it asks "Are you the actual buyer of this firearm?".

    I'd check the laws in your state, as I am not familiar with them. Check www.packing.org and www.handgunlaw.us as they are good places to gather information.

    Good luck.



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    The private party purchase you brought up is where most of my questions started. Heres some info from the Brady Campaign. Is this information credible?

    GUN SHOW CHECKS
    Are background checks required at gun shows? No

    No state requirement that a Brady criminal background check be done on people buying guns at gun shows if they are sold by "private" individuals or gun "collectors." Gun shows can operate on a "no questions asked, cash-and-carry" basis, making it easy for criminals and even juveniles to buy as many guns as they want at gun shows, including assault weapons. No records are required to be kept on gun show sales by private individuals or gun collectors, making it almost impossible for police to trace such weapons if they are used in a crime.

    JUVENILE POSSESSION
    Are minors restricted from possessing guns? Yes

    State law restricts juveniles under 19 from possessing handguns and juveniles under 18 from possessing other firearms without parental permission or authorized supervision.



    JUVENILE SALE
    Is it illegal to sell guns to kids? No

    No state limitations on giving or transferring firearms to kids. No requirement that parents even be notified. Handguns and semiautomatic assault weapons may legally be sold to kids without parental permission or notification.
    What I get out of this is,
    If I purchase a handgun from a private seller or gifted to me it would be ok for me to have in my vehicle or carried openly(where legal), at the age of 19.

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    It would seem that you are ok then.

    As far as the Brady Campaign goes....

    They are about the most ANTI-gun people in America, so while there stuff may be true, it is almost always stated from an ANTI point of view, such as this statement
    "Gun shows can operate on a "no questions asked, cash-and-carry" basis, making it easy for criminals and even juveniles to buy as many guns as they want at gun shows, including assault weapons"

    (bold added)
    Good luck!

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    Just so ya know, I am not a lawyer, and I don't play one on t.v.

    So anything I say shouldn't be taken as legal advice, just friend to friend converstaion. If you are still uneasy about it after much research, consult some professional opinion (NOT Law Enforcement).

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    Yeah, I got the same information about "gifting" from a couple other sources.

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    Also, can anyone point me into the direction of some info about transfering firearms?

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    19 to posess yes. and as somebody already said, things can get shady real fast. Even though you can legally buy a handgun through private sale or sites like gunbroker or at a gunshow ( as long as they arent a dealer, which would no longer make the sale a private sale), a lot of people hesitate just because they don't want a big hassle (it raises at red flag to the feds when they see soembody under 21 buying a handgun). the deal could go smoothe or you could have some snoopy ATF guy bug you. your best bet is getting the gun as a gift or buying it from somebody you know. Now as for carrying and all that, with the exception of concealed carry (except in your vehicle) it is perfectly legal for you at 19. I'm only 19 and have been open carrying a glock 23 for about 2 months and ive had no problems at all. I did get pulled over once, when the officer asked if there were any weapons or drugs in the vehicle, i did inform him of the firearm in my waste band, it was kind of a hassle yeah because he wanted me to then get out of the vehicle and hand over the gun for the remainder of the stop, i could have lied about having it and skipped the whole deal but I didnt. He checked my ID, asked if the gun was stolen, ran the serial, handed it back to me and i was off. That should be the extent of problems you should have (as long as you keep everything legal). just remember with the concealed carry in your vehicle, as soon as you step out, you are breaking the law. Just be sure to secure it before you get out of your vehicle or transfer it directly to your trunk. as for transferring, you and the original owner, along with the firearm need to go to an FFL dealer. http://gunbroker.com/User/DealerNetwork.asp find one there, most gun shops will do it, for example charlies. There are also alot of private FFL holders that do transfers for extra money. Don't pay more than 20$ for the transfer.

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    Thank you very much for the info. I now feel confident about purchasing, transfering, and possessing a firearm.

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    I would recommend the Brady Campaign as the last place to go to get accurate information about anything. For years they have posted on their website "... it is illegal in every state to hunt animals with more than 10 rounds of ammunition." (I checked today, it's still there.) Clearly, anyone with 5 minutes of time and access to the internet can verify that there are few States that have such restrictions. Brady Campaign doesn't care. They didn't correct their misinformation when I wrote to them about it, because they aren't interested in the truth, they're only interested in their agenda. To such people, truth is nothing more than an obstacle to overcome.
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