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    Man with concealed weapon shoots alleged robber
    class=byLineBy Bill Bryan
    ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
    Wednesday, Mar. 14 2007

    Riccardo Crossland used a pellet gun to rob a man legally carrying a real gun
    outside a Bridgeton motel Tuesday morning and ended up shot, police said.

    Crossland went off to a hospital with wounds of the hand and leg; the victim
    went on his way with the congratulations of police.

    "Here was a robbery where we have a good ending for once," said Bridgeton
    Police Major Don Steinman, who said the shooting was clearly self-defense.

    The 23-year-old victim holds a concealed-carry permit from his home state of
    Florida, which is honored in Missouri, officials said.

    "He had his gun aimed at my face," the robbery victim said in an interview
    granted on the condition that his name and hometown not be used. "I definitely
    thought he was going to shoot me, so I started firing."

    Crossland's weapon turned out to be a pellet gun that resembled a .45-caliber
    handgun, police said. The victim had a real .45 in his waistband.

    Crossland, 39, of the 7100 block of Beulah Avenue in Jennings, was taken to
    DePaul Health Center, police said, for treatment of his wounds, which were not
    considered life-threatening. He was charged with first-degree robbery and armed
    criminal action.

    Police said Crossland is on probation for a drug-related offense, and has
    convictions for robbery, burglary, stealing and drug-related crimes.

    The victim gave this account:

    He had stayed several days at the Motel 6, near Interstate 270 and St. Charles
    Rock Road, while looking at a race car engine to buy from a man in St. Louis.

    About 3 a.m. Tuesday, he took his pit bull on an errand for food. Just outside
    the motel, he encountered two men who asked questions about the dog before one
    of them pulled out what looked like a gun and announced a holdup.

    "The one guy started to pat me down, and I didn't want him to find my gun, so I
    was handing them over everything I could," the victim said. "I was just waiting
    for the right opportunity to get my gun."

    The robbers then started to depart with the man's wallet, necklace, ring and
    cash.

    "The guy with the gun was walking away with the gun at his side, but then he
    turned around and aimed it at my face," the victim said. "I definitely thought
    he was going to shoot me, so I pulled my gun out and started firing."

    He fired seven shots and the pair fled.

    Crossland was found about a quarter of a mile away, hiding on a parking lot in
    the 12900 block of St. Charles Rock Road, police said. The accomplice was not
    caught.

    The victim said he had the concealed-carry permit for two years but had never
    used the weapon. Missouri has no tracking system for cases in which people with
    concealed-carry permits use their weapons.

    bbryan@post-dispatch.com | 314-340-8950
    Anyone want to speculate just how this might have gone down if the 'victim' was openly armed?


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    I'll speculate that the victim would have been passed by in favor of someone who was not obviously armed, and the criminal would have had a successful robbery (unless he inadvertently picked on a person with a concealed weapon).

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    He probably would have been passed over, or they would have immediatelly attempted to get his weapon. Hopefully he'd have the knowledge and ability to prevent that, and if it were me, I'd pull my back-up on 'em

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    With there being two bad guys, it could have gone both ways, 1 - they just keep walking and avoid an OC'er or 2 - they get the jump on him and have their gun out before the OC can even think or see them, while the second guy takes his gun. There are so many What-Ifs after the fact. Just glad it went the way it did.

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    Anyone want to speculate just how this might have gone down if the 'victim' was openly armed?

    I'm wondering if this question was simply meant to provoke thought, or if you were implying that you believe it would have gone better/worse had he been openly carrying..

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    DreQo wrote:
    Anyone want to speculate just how this might have gone down if the 'victim' was openly armed?

    I'm wondering if this question was simply meant to provoke thought, or if you were implying that you believe it would have gone better/worse had he been openly carrying..
    Both.

    The conclusion of this incident I believe would have never made it into the news, had the 'victim' been legally open carrying. In my mind I can concieve of two probable outcomes to this scenario.

    1) Most likely, the criminals would have seen the openly armed citizen and presumed that he was an LEO and sought out someone less formidable.

    2) The criminals would have seen the openly armed citizen andsupposed that they could get a drop on the citizen by brandishing the pellet gun in an effort to disarm their target. To me, this is a no win scenario for the assailant if they do nothave a real firearm--If they do not make good on the threat to 'shoot', they will not likely disarm the citizen. If the citizen reacts defensively at any time during this encounter, the only thing the assailants are capable of doing isshooting an eye out. In both events, from the victims perspective, disarmament and death are hand in hand, so it is better to resist even under threat of death.

    Put yourself in the criminals shoes; You have a pellet gun and you intend on using it in a robbery. You encounter a victim who is openly armed and must reasonably conclude that their firearm is real and loaded. It would takesome audacity anda serious set of brass ones to enter into a lopsided match like this,and expect not to get shot.

    (Which brings up another issue- 'suicide by open carrier'...)
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    pellet gun that resembled a .45-caliber
    vs. real fully loaded .45




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    I have $10 on the pellet gun winning.

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    I'll take the real .45 and give you 500:1 odds .

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    casullshooter wrote:
    I'll take the real .45 and give you 500:1 odds .
    I'll take those odds as long as Ralphie is behind the trigger..



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    I'll be out of Dodge by sundown !

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