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    Slavery: Don't Apologize If You Don't Mean It, Says Maryland Shall Issue
    LIBERTYTOWN, Md., March 18 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Maryland Shall
    Issue, Inc. notes that although apologies are nice, actions speak louder
    than words.
    During the period of slavery, CITIZENS were required to have, and to
    carry weapons for the protection of themselves and their community whenever
    they traveled away from home, but SLAVES could only carry weapons if they
    had a license to do so.
    In 1749 Andrew Fletcher wrote, "Arms are the only true badges of
    liberty. The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a
    slave. He who has nothing, and belongs to another, must be defended by him,
    and needs no arms: but he who thinks he is his own master, and has anything
    he may call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself and what he
    possesses, or else he lives precariously and at discretion."
    Before the Civil War most slave states restricted concealed carry of
    weapons, but only one non-slave state restricted it. As freedmen moved
    north, the northern states passed laws against concealed carry, which could
    be selectively enforced. Maryland passed laws against concealed carry first
    briefly in 1866, and then somewhat less restrictively in 1904.
    Open carry of firearms was always legal for the citizens of Maryland --
    until 1972 when a law was passed prohibiting open carry, but allowing
    concealed carry with a permit to be issued at the discretion of the
    Maryland State Police.
    Why was open carry suddenly prohibited after 300 years? Why was the
    concealed carry permit process made discretionary instead of clearly
    defined and open? This was a direct result of fears from the Baltimore Race
    Riots of 1968. The law was racist in origin and needs to be rescinded.
    By selectively disarming only victims, the law restricting carry of
    weapons resulted in a dramatic increase in crime. The rate of violent crime
    in Maryland in 2005 was more than 400% what it was in 1960 when open carry
    was legal.
    Don't just apologize. Stop treating us like slaves. Inalienable rights
    to life, liberty and happiness mean nothing without the means to protect
    them. Senate Bills 761 and 762 will restore our rights as citizens to
    defend ourselves. These bills will be heard on Wednesday the 21st of March
    in the Senate Judicial Proceedings Committee and they deserve your support.


    ************* DO NOT ALTER ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE ! **************
    SOURCE Maryland Shall Issue

    http://www.marylandshallissue.org

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    Wow. THAT was well said. We need to get that info into the hands of pro-gun'ers in DC, too.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Why was open carry suddenly prohibited after 300 years? Why was the
    concealed carry permit process made discretionary instead of clearly
    defined and open? This was a direct result of fears from the Baltimore Race
    Riots of 1968. The law was racist in origin and needs to be rescinded.
    By selectively disarming only victims, the law restricting carry of
    weapons resulted in a dramatic increase in crime. The rate of violent crime
    in Maryland in 2005 was more than 400% what it was in 1960 when open carry
    was legal.
    Disingenious. As much as I respect what Maryland Shall-Issue is trying to do, it ignores the fact that open carry is in fact legal in Maryland if you have a license. I have read through the bills and it doesn't change this at all.

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    While there seems to be nothing in Md law to prevent a permit holder from OCing, I wouldn't go calling MSI disingenuous just yet. As discretionary as the permitting process is there I wouldn't be surprised if they warn permit holders not to do OC or would try to yank a permit if they did. I suspect something like that is why we have never heard of any open carry in Maryland.

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    Yeah, I agree.

    Someone just try to go about OC-ing in MD -- if it's true one can OC with a license -- and see what happens...and probably would happen time after time.

    The subtle/not-so-subtle imtimidation MD cops would likely display would probably result in gettingthe person OC-ing to stop, license/legal or not, just to avoid the unpleasant encounters with LEOs, and that would mean there really isn't any right toOC in MD regardless of the law.

    After all -- and as we know -- a right unexercised is a right denied.

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    (formerly of Colorado Springs, CO)

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    I doubt OC is even on anybody's radar in MD, permit holders or the State Police. If only we could get a permit holder to try it!! They would be arrested. Then they would have to figure out what to charge you with, probably go with 'disturbing the peace'. Any judge worth a crap would toss it out but that's luck of the draw.Then the following year the legislature would put a kabosh on it. In western MD, you might get away with it.
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    It might be better to organize for and accomplish "shall issue"and pre-emption.

    Once there is a strong presence then, start filling in all the holeshere and there.

    I suspect "shall issue" and pre-emption would get more mileage for 2A rights and would bea better labor investment for activists.

    Just my thoughts at thishour of the night. Willing to entertain polite counter- proposals, but I get cranky at night.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Unfortunately I wasn't a gun nut when I lived in Maryland. I do know that if what you are trying isn't working you need to try something different. My personal opinion on the MD Shall Issue organization is they need a different approach. Especially their Q&A for 'skeptics. You won't convert many people being hostile and a smart ass. How's it go... You catch more fly's with honey..... JMO

    http://www.marylandshallissue.org/skeptics.html
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    With so many states having gone to "shall issue" there must be a wealth of experience and wisdom available.

    Can anybody on this board act put them in touch with genuinelyeffective coaches in other states?
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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