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    Beautiful quote Kelly, thanks!

    But George Will forgot one of the most important guarantees of 1A: Redress of Grievances!! Redress is the peaceable way to force the government to act accordingly, and should that peaceable method fail, we resort to 2A. Our founding fathers were sheer and absolute geniuses, forged deep within the fires of freedom.

    By pen or by sword, this government shall be held accountable to the People for its actions!



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    Can you picture a 2007 metrosexual being transplanted to late 1700's America? He'd squeal in shock.

    Our founding fathers had seen blood and death, and went armed every day.

    My grandfather smashed his thumb with a hammer one day. He knew from experience that it would swell and get sore and start to loosen and snag... so he cut it out with his pocketknife. :shock:

    Now that's a tough guy.

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    George Washington is alive and well: http://www.washingtonceasefire.com/c...tact/Itemid,3/

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    BobCav wrote:
    Beautiful quote Kelly, thanks!

    But George Will forgot one of the most important guarantees of 1A: Redress of Grievances!! Redress is the peaceable way to force the government to act accordingly, and should that peaceable method fail, we resort to 2A. Our founding fathers were sheer and absolute geniuses, forged deep within the fires of freedom.

    By pen or by sword, this government shall be held accountable to the People for its actions!

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    "An armed society is a polite society".....Thomas Jefferson

    "Always train first with the Bayonet"......Thomas Jonathan Jackson

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    The quote about an armed society being polite is from Robert A. Heinlein, not Jefferson.

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    Kelly J wrote:
    There is no doubt of that, but the striking thing that I totally fail to understand is why, the American people of today have forgotten, that this form of Government is a Republic form of Government, not a Democratic form of Government, some absolutely fail to understand that the two are not one in the same, and the more we lean to the Democratic form, the closer we are to becoming under the rule of a Dictatorship, so if we as Citizens do not retake control of our Governing Body, we are in for a really rude awakening.

    I also do not understand, how the Congress can reach the conclusion that the Bill of Rights, is there to be ignored, changed, or simply altered as the winds of time, and Political Party in power, see fit to apply as they will them to mean.

    I am totally convinced that if the Founding Fathers were to be raised from the Grave to witness the changes, that have taken place, and the way the Government has evolved into the powerful nanny state it is, that they would simply say put me back in the grave, there is no hope for these people.
    1. Education failure and apathy. Add inlevel of personal responsibility--we all hear lots of complaining; how many are actively trying to counter it. Check out some of the garbage that has been taught in the public schools for years.I've read somewhere that Prentiss Hall texts teach that the 2ndAmendwas only to protect the militia.*Also, I suspect evenat theFounding, there wasa sizeable portion of the population that didn'tget too involved. What percentage of males actually shouldered arms in the Revolution? I'm guessinga small one. I'm guessing, too, that human nature hasn't changed much since the Founding, or even since the founding of Egypt. What we see today, as far as human-nature type stuffalready existedat the Founding in greater or lesser visible degree. Why else did several Founders harp on the idea that self-government requiredpublic virtue? A virtuous public wouldn'thave needed to be told to be virtuous.It just means we have to work harder for longer, that's all.

    2. I'm glad my high school history teacher taught us that the "living" aspect of the Constitution was that it could be changed through the amendment process. I suspect this was the source idea that got changed into "living" equals judges get to interpret it their own way.

    3. Lysander Spooner, a judge,complained in his 1870 book, No Treason, that the Constitution either authorized the government that we have, or was powerless to stop it.** That comment says a lot.

    *Essay on gunlaws.com if I recall. **Quoted from 1973 reprint by Kenneth Royce in Hologram of Liberty.

    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    I rather like this quote from Sam Adams:

    “If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest for freedom, go home and leave us in peace. We seek not your council nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”



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    BobCav wrote:
    I rather like this quote from Sam Adams:

    “If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest for freedom, go home and leave us in peace. We seek not your council nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

    Me, too! I wonder how many people took heart or shouldered arms because of it.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    The numbers were quite low , the size of the armies fielded 90 years later would have shocked them .

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    BobCav wrote:
    Beautiful quote Kelly, thanks!

    But George Will forgot one of the most important guarantees of 1A: Redress of Grievances!! Redress is the peaceable way to force the government to act accordingly, and should that peaceable method fail, we resort to 2A. Our founding fathers were sheer and absolute geniuses, forged deep within the fires of freedom.

    By pen or by sword, this government shall be held accountable to the People for its actions!

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    BobCav wrote:
    I rather like this quote from Sam Adams:

    “If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest for freedom, go home and leave us in peace. We seek not your council nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

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    Kelly J wrote:
    BobCav wrote:
    I rather like this quote from Sam Adams:

    “If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest for freedom, go home and leave us in peace. We seek not your council nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

    I use this as my Signiture on several sites I am on, it isn't exact, but it was from the Patriot Post, and I really liked what it said, Maybe it isn't an exact Quote if so Maybe I should change it.

    "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!"

    IF you could please direct me to the Quotation so that I may get it right.
    Here is the complete quote and I got it from here:
    http://thinkexist.com/quotation/cont...en/821904.html

    “Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” - Samual Adams



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    Y'all are probably way ahead of me on this, but I just realized that maybe the best place for the Sam Adams quote really is right here on 2A forums, NRA advertising, and grassroots advertising. Maybe it will inspire casual folks to get a little more active!
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    BobCav wrote:
    Kelly J wrote:
    BobCav wrote:
    I rather like this quote from Sam Adams:

    “If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest for freedom, go home and leave us in peace. We seek not your council nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

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