VAopencarry
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I will be shocked if he gets prosecuted.
Doug, Webb is pro 2A
I will be shocked if he gets prosecuted.
Doug, Webb is pro 2A
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SENATE STAFFER BUSTED FOR CARRYING WEBB'S LOADED GUN
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LeagueOf1291
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VAopencarry wrote:
VAopencarry wrote:
"Congress critters" :lol:
Doug Huffman
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VAopencarry wrote:
The NRA is 'pro 2A' too while they sell compliance with reasonable regulations.
Sorry, he's a politician whose first duty is to acquire political capital with which to pay for re-election. If he would instead spend it on uninfringing the 2A then I'd agree with you. Where do you think the term limits problem arose but in politicians putting career and power first before freedom.
Do you think that he will own up to it being his gun and go down in a blaze of glory? A blaze of glory that his handlers would call political suicide - over the principle of the 2A?
VAopencarry wrote:
In word or deed?
The NRA is 'pro 2A' too while they sell compliance with reasonable regulations.
Sorry, he's a politician whose first duty is to acquire political capital with which to pay for re-election. If he would instead spend it on uninfringing the 2A then I'd agree with you. Where do you think the term limits problem arose but in politicians putting career and power first before freedom.
Do you think that he will own up to it being his gun and go down in a blaze of glory? A blaze of glory that his handlers would call political suicide - over the principle of the 2A?
HankT
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Doug Huffman wrote:
He's a careful supporter of 2A. Just listen...
Webb told The Richmond Times Dispatch in December that he considers himself a "strong Second Amendment person" but said he does not carry a gun to work.
"I don't carry personally regularly. I shoot regularly. I like to have the option to carry, which is why I keep the permit," he said. "I value the opportunity to be able to protect myself, depending on situations. But no, I don't walk around with a weapon on me all of the time," he told the newspaper.
Doug Huffman wrote:
Webb's stuckwith admitting it's his gun, I think. Buthe sure as hell ain't going down for this one.Although slipping a firearm to his staffer Thompson wasn't a responsible thing for Webb todo, Idon't think the generalpublic or the media can figure that out.
So what we have is simply a gunman (with a veritable arsenal) trying to get into the Russell bulding today. Thompson will have to pay the price.
Maybe Webb can snag a presidential pardon for his boy. Webb is ongood terms with Bush, isn't he?
You know, the mediareally really sucks. They are supposed to inform the public, right? Well, I still do not know what kind of piece it was. I say it was a 1911 of somekind. But that's total spec.
Doug Huffman wrote:
He's a careful supporter of 2A. Just listen...
Webb told The Richmond Times Dispatch in December that he considers himself a "strong Second Amendment person" but said he does not carry a gun to work.
"I don't carry personally regularly. I shoot regularly. I like to have the option to carry, which is why I keep the permit," he said. "I value the opportunity to be able to protect myself, depending on situations. But no, I don't walk around with a weapon on me all of the time," he told the newspaper.
Doug Huffman wrote:
Webb's stuckwith admitting it's his gun, I think. Buthe sure as hell ain't going down for this one.Although slipping a firearm to his staffer Thompson wasn't a responsible thing for Webb todo, Idon't think the generalpublic or the media can figure that out.
So what we have is simply a gunman (with a veritable arsenal) trying to get into the Russell bulding today. Thompson will have to pay the price.
Maybe Webb can snag a presidential pardon for his boy. Webb is ongood terms with Bush, isn't he?
You know, the mediareally really sucks. They are supposed to inform the public, right? Well, I still do not know what kind of piece it was. I say it was a 1911 of somekind. But that's total spec.
CrashVector
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Is there a list out there somewhere of all the Democratic senators and congressmen that carry pistols or other firearms?
The reason I ask is because it is awfully hypocritical of these bastards to try and pass the most restrictive gun ban in history, all the while carrying firearms themselves.
You can bet your last dollar that the newly proposed "assault weapon ban", which bans practically every semi-auto does not apply to them.
Senators and members of congress are civilians...just like me...just like you. Why the hell are THEY allowed to carry firearms in D.C. when your average law-abiding citizen cannot?!
I, for one, am sick and tired of a few members in government, who are supposed to work for the People, awarding themselves special privledges that their constituants are denied. Who died and made Senators more important than anyone else...to the point where THEIR right to defend themselves is more important than mine?
Is there a list out there somewhere of all the Democratic senators and congressmen that carry pistols or other firearms?
The reason I ask is because it is awfully hypocritical of these bastards to try and pass the most restrictive gun ban in history, all the while carrying firearms themselves.
You can bet your last dollar that the newly proposed "assault weapon ban", which bans practically every semi-auto does not apply to them.
Senators and members of congress are civilians...just like me...just like you. Why the hell are THEY allowed to carry firearms in D.C. when your average law-abiding citizen cannot?!
I, for one, am sick and tired of a few members in government, who are supposed to work for the People, awarding themselves special privledges that their constituants are denied. Who died and made Senators more important than anyone else...to the point where THEIR right to defend themselves is more important than mine?
LeagueOf1291
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So long as they are allowed to carry, it doesn't matter whether they actually carry, at least concerning their politics. If they would forbid us, they shouldn't allow themselves. And even then they shouldn't forbid us, because of the 2A.
So long as they are allowed to carry, it doesn't matter whether they actually carry, at least concerning their politics. If they would forbid us, they shouldn't allow themselves. And even then they shouldn't forbid us, because of the 2A.
cloudcroft
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lockman,
I know some people who carry without a permit...they are not "honest" in that sense and therefore they are not "law-abiding." But also they are some of the best people I know regardless.
Civil Disobedience to bad laws and/or laws infringing on civil rights...that does not make someone even remotely in the same class as a criminal.
"The Law" isour servant, notour master.
-- John D.
lockman,
I know some people who carry without a permit...they are not "honest" in that sense and therefore they are not "law-abiding." But also they are some of the best people I know regardless.
Civil Disobedience to bad laws and/or laws infringing on civil rights...that does not make someone even remotely in the same class as a criminal.
"The Law" isour servant, notour master.
-- John D.
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Doug Huffman wrote:
I agree. He may. That's why I've requested it. Three times.
Now that it's in the spotlight, perhaps I'll get a response.
In my most recent request, I did advise that as a constituent and voter in Virginia, I am likely to remember which legislators are responsive. I have never indicated I'd withhold a vote for being in honest disagreement.
Doug Huffman wrote:
I agree. He may. That's why I've requested it. Three times.
Now that it's in the spotlight, perhaps I'll get a response.
In my most recent request, I did advise that as a constituent and voter in Virginia, I am likely to remember which legislators are responsive. I have never indicated I'd withhold a vote for being in honest disagreement.
swatpro911
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do you really have to register your ammunations in VA?
do you really have to register your ammunations in VA?
Anubis
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Dutch Uncle wrote:
Hillary strikes me more as a Desert Eagle kind of woman...
Dutch Uncle wrote:
However, Senator Webb wasn't packing it!
Hillary strikes me more as a Desert Eagle kind of woman...
rlh2005
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swatpro911 wrote:
No, but you do in DC.
swatpro911 wrote:
No, but you do in DC.
rabbit994
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swatpro911 wrote:
If we do, I have about 2000 failure to register ammo charges coming my way.
Joke aside, answer is no. Only gun that must be registered is Machine Guns with state police. Ammo isn't registered.
Any attempts to introduce registration gets VCDL foaming at mouth mad and it usually dies a painful death as it should.
swatpro911 wrote:
If we do, I have about 2000 failure to register ammo charges coming my way.
Joke aside, answer is no. Only gun that must be registered is Machine Guns with state police. Ammo isn't registered.
Any attempts to introduce registration gets VCDL foaming at mouth mad and it usually dies a painful death as it should.
Doug Huffman
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More from Dr. John R. Lott, Jr., author of More Guns, Less Crime. From his blog http://johnrlott.tripod.com/
Breaking News: Senator Jim Webb Staffer Arrested for Carrying Webb's Gun, Webb Carries Gun With Him All The Time Virginia Senator Webb carries the gun on his waist all the time. A senate staffer informs me that police arrested a Webb staffer for gun possession. He was carrying a bag with the loaded gun for the Senator. Quote: "The [Webb's] staffer had the gun by himself...Webb was in car!!"
I have written op-eds on this before regarding the special rules governing Senators and Congressmen. Regular people or even staffers aren't allowed to carry a gun, but politicians are. Reminds me of Mayor Daily in Chicago, who has armed body guards but won't let other in the city legally own handguns.
But possibly this case will get people to think. Here is a Senate aide, a former Marine, who is arrested and jailed. Does anyone really believe that he is a threat to anyone? Does anyone really believe that it makes sense to lock this guy in jail and charge him with a felony and destroy his life?
UPDATE: The senator staffer was arrested by Capitol Hill police while he tried to take the gun through security at a Senate Office Building.
UPDATE 2: I am a little skeptical that this is completely correct, but I wanted to post this while I checked. In any case, the staffer was apparently arrested for carrying a loaded gun in a bag.
Roll Call
May 23, 2005 Monday
Correction Appended
LENGTH: 779 words
HEADLINE: Law Lets Members Keep Firearms in Hill Offices
BYLINE: By Jennifer Yachnin ROLL CALL STAFF
BODY:
. . .
Although the D.C. prohibition against firearms was put into place in 1975, under a provision in federal law, Members of Congress and their staffs are in essence given the right to bear arms on Capitol grounds.
According to Capitol Police Board regulations established in 1967, Members and their aides are allowed to transport firearms on the Capitol grounds in the course of carrying out their official duties provided the weapons are "unloaded and securely wrapped." (Directives published in recent years also state that staff must be verified by Capitol Police.)
Although the regulations expressly prohibit weapons on the floor of either chamber, as well as in the adjacent lobbies, cloakrooms and galleries, individual Members are allowed to "maintain firearms within the confines of [their] office." . . .
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Similar story in the September 25, 2000 issue of Roll Call.
UPDATE 3: Fox News has a nice discussion of the case here. Fox News also quotes an interview that Webb had with the Richmond Times Dispatch saying that Webb claims he does not carry a gun to work.
More from Dr. John R. Lott, Jr., author of More Guns, Less Crime. From his blog http://johnrlott.tripod.com/
Breaking News: Senator Jim Webb Staffer Arrested for Carrying Webb's Gun, Webb Carries Gun With Him All The Time Virginia Senator Webb carries the gun on his waist all the time. A senate staffer informs me that police arrested a Webb staffer for gun possession. He was carrying a bag with the loaded gun for the Senator. Quote: "The [Webb's] staffer had the gun by himself...Webb was in car!!"
I have written op-eds on this before regarding the special rules governing Senators and Congressmen. Regular people or even staffers aren't allowed to carry a gun, but politicians are. Reminds me of Mayor Daily in Chicago, who has armed body guards but won't let other in the city legally own handguns.
But possibly this case will get people to think. Here is a Senate aide, a former Marine, who is arrested and jailed. Does anyone really believe that he is a threat to anyone? Does anyone really believe that it makes sense to lock this guy in jail and charge him with a felony and destroy his life?
UPDATE: The senator staffer was arrested by Capitol Hill police while he tried to take the gun through security at a Senate Office Building.
UPDATE 2: I am a little skeptical that this is completely correct, but I wanted to post this while I checked. In any case, the staffer was apparently arrested for carrying a loaded gun in a bag.
Roll Call
May 23, 2005 Monday
Correction Appended
LENGTH: 779 words
HEADLINE: Law Lets Members Keep Firearms in Hill Offices
BYLINE: By Jennifer Yachnin ROLL CALL STAFF
BODY:
. . .
Although the D.C. prohibition against firearms was put into place in 1975, under a provision in federal law, Members of Congress and their staffs are in essence given the right to bear arms on Capitol grounds.
According to Capitol Police Board regulations established in 1967, Members and their aides are allowed to transport firearms on the Capitol grounds in the course of carrying out their official duties provided the weapons are "unloaded and securely wrapped." (Directives published in recent years also state that staff must be verified by Capitol Police.)
Although the regulations expressly prohibit weapons on the floor of either chamber, as well as in the adjacent lobbies, cloakrooms and galleries, individual Members are allowed to "maintain firearms within the confines of [their] office." . . .
_____
Similar story in the September 25, 2000 issue of Roll Call.
UPDATE 3: Fox News has a nice discussion of the case here. Fox News also quotes an interview that Webb had with the Richmond Times Dispatch saying that Webb claims he does not carry a gun to work.
HankT
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Dutch Uncle wrote:
Two extra loaded mags...
New York Times reported it as a 9mm but did not specify the brand/model of the pistol.
I think the news media almost always miss out on a really useful angle when reporting gun incidents: specifying the make/model and features of the gun. And the ammunition. They usually don't bother with these details for some reason.
For all we know, Webb is using "cop-killer" ammo in his Glock 19 or whatever he's using. Think of the headline:
U.S. Senator Packing Imported Handgun With Arsenal of Cop-Killer Ammo
Something like that...
Dutch Uncle wrote:
Two extra loaded mags...
New York Times reported it as a 9mm but did not specify the brand/model of the pistol.
I think the news media almost always miss out on a really useful angle when reporting gun incidents: specifying the make/model and features of the gun. And the ammunition. They usually don't bother with these details for some reason.
For all we know, Webb is using "cop-killer" ammo in his Glock 19 or whatever he's using. Think of the headline:
U.S. Senator Packing Imported Handgun With Arsenal of Cop-Killer Ammo
Something like that...
HankT
State Researcher
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Uh-oh for Phillip Thompson...
Webb says he did not give aide his gun
By Jeremy Jacobs
March 27, 2007
Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) said Tuesday that he did not give staffer Phillip Thompson the pistol whose possession got the aide arrested Monday when he tried to enter the Russell Senate office building.
“I have never carried a gun in the Capitol complex and I did not give the weapon to Phillip Thompson, and that’s all that I think I’ll say,” Webb told reporters.
“I think this is one of those very unfortunate situations where, completely inadvertently, he took the weapon into the Senate yesterday,” Webb added. The senator noted that he was in New Orleans from Friday until Monday. He speculated that the incident happened because three of his cars were moved because of the trip.
Webb also pointed out that he could not go into too many specifics because Thompson is being arraigned Tuesday.
However, the senator made some broad points related to the incident, including his support for gun rights.
“Everyone here knows that I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, that I have had a permit to carry a weapon in Virginia for a long time, and I believe that it’s important — it’s important for me, personally, and for a lot of people in the situation that I’m in, to be able to defend myself and my family.”
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/webb-says-he-did-not-give-aide-his-gun-2007-03-27.html
Uh-oh for Phillip Thompson...
Webb says he did not give aide his gun
By Jeremy Jacobs
March 27, 2007
Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) said Tuesday that he did not give staffer Phillip Thompson the pistol whose possession got the aide arrested Monday when he tried to enter the Russell Senate office building.
“I have never carried a gun in the Capitol complex and I did not give the weapon to Phillip Thompson, and that’s all that I think I’ll say,” Webb told reporters.
“I think this is one of those very unfortunate situations where, completely inadvertently, he took the weapon into the Senate yesterday,” Webb added. The senator noted that he was in New Orleans from Friday until Monday. He speculated that the incident happened because three of his cars were moved because of the trip.
Webb also pointed out that he could not go into too many specifics because Thompson is being arraigned Tuesday.
However, the senator made some broad points related to the incident, including his support for gun rights.
“Everyone here knows that I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, that I have had a permit to carry a weapon in Virginia for a long time, and I believe that it’s important — it’s important for me, personally, and for a lot of people in the situation that I’m in, to be able to defend myself and my family.”
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/webb-says-he-did-not-give-aide-his-gun-2007-03-27.html
HankT
State Researcher
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Doug Huffman wrote:
Odd. An orphan gun???
Webb says he did not give aide his gun
By Jeremy Jacobs
March 27, 2007
Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) said Tuesday that he did not give staffer Phillip Thompson the pistol whose possession got the aide arrested Monday when he tried to enter the Russell Senate office building.
“I have never carried a gun in the Capitol complex and I did not give the weapon to Phillip Thompson, and that’s all that I think I’ll say,” Webb told reporters.
“I think this is one of those very unfortunate situations where, completely inadvertently, he took the weapon into the Senate yesterday,” Webb added. The senator noted that he was in New Orleans from Friday until Monday. He speculated that the incident happened because three of his cars were moved because of the trip.
Webb also pointed out that he could not go into too many specifics because Thompson is being arraigned Tuesday.
However, the senator made some broad points related to the incident, including his support for gun rights.
“Everyone here knows that I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, that I have had a permit to carry a weapon in Virginia for a long time, and I believe that it’s important — it’s important for me, personally, and for a lot of people in the situation that I’m in, to be able to defend myself and my family.”
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/webb-says-he-did-not-give-aide-his-gun-2007-03-27.html
Doug Huffman wrote:
Odd. An orphan gun???
Webb says he did not give aide his gun
By Jeremy Jacobs
March 27, 2007
Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) said Tuesday that he did not give staffer Phillip Thompson the pistol whose possession got the aide arrested Monday when he tried to enter the Russell Senate office building.
“I have never carried a gun in the Capitol complex and I did not give the weapon to Phillip Thompson, and that’s all that I think I’ll say,” Webb told reporters.
“I think this is one of those very unfortunate situations where, completely inadvertently, he took the weapon into the Senate yesterday,” Webb added. The senator noted that he was in New Orleans from Friday until Monday. He speculated that the incident happened because three of his cars were moved because of the trip.
Webb also pointed out that he could not go into too many specifics because Thompson is being arraigned Tuesday.
However, the senator made some broad points related to the incident, including his support for gun rights.
“Everyone here knows that I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, that I have had a permit to carry a weapon in Virginia for a long time, and I believe that it’s important — it’s important for me, personally, and for a lot of people in the situation that I’m in, to be able to defend myself and my family.”
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/webb-says-he-did-not-give-aide-his-gun-2007-03-27.html
kaiheitai17
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HankT wrote:
HankT wrote:
Guess that Mr. Thompson is liar. Or perhaps Mr. Webb is creating a newfictional novel? It must suck to be Philip Thompson these days.
ProguninTN
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I saw this on CNN this morning. They also said the Sen. Webb has a license to carry concealed weapons in VA and that he was to travel to the airport later in the day. I wonder why they did not mention that open carry requires no documents in VA ?
BTW, anybody remember that Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) [gun grabber] also had an aide busted with a gun years ago ?
ProguninTN
I saw this on CNN this morning. They also said the Sen. Webb has a license to carry concealed weapons in VA and that he was to travel to the airport later in the day. I wonder why they did not mention that open carry requires no documents in VA ?
BTW, anybody remember that Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) [gun grabber] also had an aide busted with a gun years ago ?
ProguninTN
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Wisconsin Carry, Inc.
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Dutch Uncle wrote:
Dutch Uncle wrote:
I thought she carried Bill's balls.
HankT
State Researcher
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ProguninTN wrote:
And not just a gun. A veritable arsenal:
[align=justify]In 1986 Kennedy bodyguard Chuck Stein was arrested in the U.S. Capitol building for carrying an unregistered handgun, two (sub)machine guns, and 146 rounds of ammunition. Kennedy attempted to have the charges dropped.[/align]
[align=justify]http://www.boonereport.com/2006winter/n.html[/align]
ProguninTN wrote:
Same place: Russell Senate Office Building.
And not just a gun. A veritable arsenal:
[align=justify]In 1986 Kennedy bodyguard Chuck Stein was arrested in the U.S. Capitol building for carrying an unregistered handgun, two (sub)machine guns, and 146 rounds of ammunition. Kennedy attempted to have the charges dropped.[/align]
[align=justify]http://www.boonereport.com/2006winter/n.html[/align]