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    Contrary to the lies of Hollywood, piracy did not vanish with the Battle of New Orleans; Piracy in the Pacific and Mediterranean/Indian Ocean(s) was common until after World War One. Muslims and Chinese were notorious for this sort of activity.

    Even with such quality weapons as the Colt Peacemaker and Winchester rifle, the crews of vessels were not always ableto repel pirates, who often attacked in waves; the pirates often usedused swords and shotguns and came in wave attacks.

    The development of the breech-loading naval deck cannonand Hiram Maxim's machinegun, this changed this situation alot; this firepower gave vessels a realistic chance to succeed at resisting the pirates. Add Webley revolvers, pump shotguns, automatic pistols, and rapidly-eloadable,multi-shot rifles; attacking a well-armed ship became all but suicidal for the more traditionally-armed pirates.

    How this relates to us today, our sea is life; the pirates of said life are the criminal element of society. Gangbangers, outlaw hill clans, pedophiles, carjackers; these(among others)are the pirates of today.

    Open gun carry is the deck gun on the ship of our lives, it deters the very real Imams and Bandits and Warlords from raiding us.

    Most criminals are of a Third-World mentality, they have been indoctrinated by outlaw Priests; they have tosee itpersonally to believe it. Bluff seldom stops them.

    Remember the 1992 L.A. riots, in which those who guarded their zones with AK47s(among other similar rifles)survived; those who did not take said action often had their zones burned.

    We must reject the ideation that only unarmed societies are safe, the reality is often increased predation upon unarmed citizens by criminals.

    Let us, therefore champion open carry, it does save lives!







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    Agree with you , the often dreamed of social utopia is just that a dream .

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    Mini14 wrote:
    Contrary to the lies of Hollywood, piracy did not vanish with the Battle of New Orleans; Piracy in the Pacific and Mediterranean/Indian Ocean(s) was common until after World War One.



    Actually, piracy is still quite common today in many parts of the world.

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    I am amazed at the news stories involving pirates in this day and age. In fact they are just criminals who use boats rather than cars to get to and from their victims. I guess hearing the word, "Pirates" is just an exciting reminder of childhood games. What surprises me is that most of these large ships have a very small crew, basically engineers and officers. I just cant figure out why they are given a water hose to repel armed criminals and not either provided with a maritine security detail , or at least armed with shotguns. I think most of these pirates could probably be fought off easily if the crew was given so means of credible defense.

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    DT4E31 wrote:
    I am amazed at the news stories involving pirates in this day and age. In fact they are just criminals who use boats rather than cars to get to and from their victims. I guess hearing the word, "Pirates" is just an exciting reminder of childhood games. What surprises me is that most of these large ships have a very small crew, basically engineers and officers. I just cant figure out why they are given a water hose to repel armed criminals and not either provided with a maritine security detail , or at least armed with shotguns. I think most of these pirates could probably be fought off easily if the crew was given so means of credible defense.
    Absolutely. I think it's a combo of anti-gun laws in various ports of call, anti-gun insurance companies, and European shipping companies. In the one report I saw the shipping companies were wasting their money hiring these a-hole mercenary companies, British/Australian versions of Blackwater, to motor around near Hong Kong and other piracy hot spots. These guys are commando wannabes who always show up late when there's a piracy incident. Beter to mount a few .50s on the ship and let the crew fight back. The piarates they interviewed were asked what they would do if their victims fought back, and they said, "Go find another ship". Well, what do you know, self defense against bullies works!

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    With all of the issues that seem to be occuring with shipments being siezed, I thought I would resurrect one of the piracy threads...

    Considering the geopolitical dilemas involved, not to mention the financial and military issues,does anybody have any brilliant ideas on how to exactly put a stop to these crimes on the high seas?

    I see that the U.S. just initiated sanctions against the nation of Somalia. Somalia hasn't had a real government since the early 1990's and is run by war lords and terrorist exremists. Many of our enemy reside there. They realize that they live near a popular shipping zone and there is not much anyone can do about the situation considering port-of-call issues with ships carrying weaponry and security forces.

    It seems to me that trading countries should negotiate and come to an agreement on port-of-call weaponsrestrictions, considering our naval vessels do not have to chuck their weapons into the drink when they arrive at a distant port, obviously pointing out that we at least have military agreements.

    I watched a show on modern piracy some months ago, and I was disturbed that an entire cruise ship was attacked by pirates off the coast of Somalia some few years ago. If a cruise ship and a tanker or freighter is susceptible, then what else could they eventually attack? Aircraft Carriers?

    Something has to be done asap.
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    If they want to attack aircraft carriers, then they obviously have a death wish.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    DT4E31 wrote:
    I am amazed at the news stories involving pirates in this day and age. In fact they are just criminals who use boats rather than cars to get to and from their victims. I guess hearing the word, "Pirates" is just an exciting reminder of childhood games. What surprises me is that most of these large ships have a very small crew, basically engineers and officers. I just cant figure out why they are given a water hose to repel armed criminals and not either provided with a maritine security detail , or at least armed with shotguns. I think most of these pirates could probably be fought off easily if the crew was given so means of credible defense.
    Absolutely. I think it's a combo of anti-gun laws in various ports of call, anti-gun insurance companies, and European shipping companies. In the one report I saw the shipping companies were wasting their money hiring these a-hole mercenary companies, British/Australian versions of Blackwater, to motor around near Hong Kong and other piracy hot spots. These guys are commando wannabes who always show up late when there's a piracy incident. Beter to mount a few .50s on the ship and let the crew fight back. The piarates they interviewed were asked what they would do if their victims fought back, and they said, "Go find another ship". Well, what do you know, self defense against bullies works!
    I thought merchant shipping was disarmed because of the UN.

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    Seems to me like a good reason to reserect the old PT boat. Torps for the pirate mother ships and plenty of .50 cals for their attack runabouts.

    Take no prisoners.

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    These pirates can easily be stopped when the panty waists realise yakayakayaka talk won't stop it.

    The akakakakakak from guns on deck will suffice right nicely to repel all boarders.

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    Flintlock wrote:
    With all of the issues that seem to be occuring with shipments being siezed, I thought I would resurrect one of the piracy threads...

    Considering the geopolitical dilemas involved, not to mention the financial and military issues,┬*does anybody have any brilliant ideas on how to exactly put a stop to these crimes on the high seas?

    I see that the U.S. just initiated sanctions against the nation of Somalia. Somalia hasn't had a real government since the early 1990's and is run by war lords and terrorist exremists. Many of our enemy reside there. They realize that they live near a popular shipping zone and there is not much anyone can do about the situation considering port-of-call issues with ships carrying weaponry and security forces.

    It seems to me that trading countries should negotiate and come to an agreement on port-of-call weapons┬*restrictions, considering our naval vessels do not have to chuck their weapons into the drink when they arrive at a distant port, obviously pointing out that we at least have military agreements.

    I watched a show on modern piracy some months ago, and I was disturbed that an entire cruise ship was attacked by pirates off the coast of Somalia some few years ago. If a cruise ship and a tanker or freighter is susceptible, then what else could they eventually attack? Aircraft Carriers?

    Something has to be done asap.
    Our illustrious member donhamrick believes that he is doing exactly that "something". I'll let you decide.

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum4/17286.html

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum4/17310.html

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    TheMrMitch wrote:
    These pirates can easily be stopped when the panty waists realise yakayakayaka talk won't stop it.

    The akakakakakak from guns on deck will suffice right nicely to repel all boarders.
    Even some of the folks on this board who greatly dislike the NRA would be willing to join if they started up doing armed pleasure cruises off the Somalia coast:

    "Come cruise the beautiful east shore of Africa and bag your limit. Bring your own firearms or we will provide them at a nominal cost, so that you can have the pirate snuffing adventure of a lifetime!"

    I'm not so sure that wouldn't work pretty well if done properly. Most of thos epirate vessels are just skiffs, .223 or certainly .308 would be more than enough to scuttle them.

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    marshaul wrote:
    Our illustrious member donhamrick believes that he is doing exactly that "something". I'll let you decide.

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum4/17286.html

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum4/17310.html
    While that plan is unlikely to meet the objectives anytime soon, I do like his zeal in attempting such an endevour. Thanks for posting.
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    Brian D. wrote:
    "Come cruise the beautiful east shore of Africa and bag your limit. Bring your own firearms or we will provide them at a nominal cost, so that you can have the pirate snuffing adventure of a lifetime!"

    I'm not so sure that wouldn't work pretty well if done properly. Most of thos epirate vessels are just skiffs, .223 or certainly .308 would be more than enough to scuttle them.

    Aargh, shiver me timbers. Pirate cruises is it?

    I think we could amass more firepower than this, and send a potent message to the gutless cowards. Over the gunwales (gunnels), take no quarter!

    Brings a whole new meaning to adventure on the high seas.


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    One thing that could be done to insure the safe passage of merchant ships through these waters is to sail in small convoys with fast gunships as escorts. Like they did during WWII, but on a smaller scale.

    Most of these ships have radar that should pickup small vessels approaching. One of the problems is that the ships often have a pirate member as part of the crew. These guys usually do what ever they have to to thwart any attempts by the rest of the crew to prevent boarding by the attacking pirates. An inside man could adjust a radar to not pick up appoaching small craft.

    A 200 pound chunk of concrete rolled off the side would sink most small boats that come along side a ship. Sink their boats, keep going , and let the sharks take care of the survivers.

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    Task Force 16 wrote:
    One thing that could be done to insure the safe passage of merchant ships through these waters is to sail in small convoys with fast gunships as escorts. Like they did during WWII, but on a smaller scale.
    I think I saw something on the news yesterdayabout just such a plan. It may have involved the a-hole mercenaries that Tomahawkmentioned earlier.

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    Did anyonehave time to read Don Hamrick's 500 page lawsuit on the other thread where he was banned? Can someone explain it to me in one paragraph or less?

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    Now that some navies have decided to actively do something about these thugs, its time for them to build some Q-ships. During the World Wars, these ships looked like harmless merchant ships, but were set up with camoflaged armament that could be deployed with devastating effect in moments. Imagine the consternation of these pirates when the boarding party is repelled with flamethrowers and/or machinepistols, and their boats are peppered by .50cal Barretts or 20 mm cannons. As noted above, the survivors could become chum for the sharks, and videos of the event could be sent back to the "country" from which they came, to provide some graphic deterrent effect .

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    Nelson_Muntz wrote:
    Did anyone┬*have time to read Don Hamrick's 500 page lawsuit on the other thread where he was banned?┬* Can someone explain it to me in one paragraph or less?
    Thundar wrote:
    Gun control sucks.

    We need to defend our rights, not just on land but also on the high seas

    Coast Guard sucks, refuses to document small arms training qualifications on seamans z-cards.

    Whole legal system sucks, ignores rational motions because they don't like them.

    There is more, but that is quick.
    Actually, Thundar seems to be somewhat enthusiastic himself:
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum4/17335.html

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    Thanks Marshaul. And Thundar. That catches me up right quick. I'm not qualified to comment on all that. All I know is I could give a rat's ass what anyone, anywhere thinks about my right to self defense.It trumps someone else's right to instill in me a fear for my life.Wherever I am.

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    Seems to me like a good reason to reserect the old PT boat. Torps for the pirate mother ships and plenty of .50 cals for their attack runabouts.

    Take no prisoners.
    E-Boats would be even better!

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    Pirates were identified by Blackstone as 'Hostis Genaris Humani" (General Enemies of Humanity) in the 18th Century. Several years agoI sent a formal letter to SCOTUS addressing the resurgance of Piracy... linking 'no-flag' Islamic Terrorists in this catagory. Another facet of this letter dealt with coastal states issuing 'Letters of Marque' to Privateers for interdiction of smuggling (drugs, ect.) on the high seas.Of couse... I never received a response.

    At one time... the "Captain of anyinterested warship" was free to engage pirates wherever encounteredand mete out such justice as he deemed fit. This was 'Admiralty Law'. The actual result being that pirate vessels were siezed or sunk and the surviving crew were hung. Presently... Pirates are to be 'returned' to their country of origin for trial. That sounds like somethin' the UN thought up. Somalia has no functioning government... and this idea never considered 'Rouge States' which tacitly sponsor Piracy.

    The primary problem (with the US Government) today is there are few former 'warriors' in Congress or the Senate. Lawyers... lack the required 'sand' to enact anything effective. I suspect the same is true of most western nations.India doesn't seem to share that problem... having engaged at least one pirate vessel and sinking it.

    We know where the pirate havens are. IF the government was serious about combatting piracy... These pirate ports would be attacked, their ships and infrastucture destroyed. It would take a land op to regain those ships siezed by pirates (for ransom) along with the 3-400 crewmembers held hostage. I hate to image what conditions those folks are in. It could be done... but it won't.

    Merchant Captains could do a LOT more in preventing pirates from boarding... but they won't... or moreover... are not allowed by the owners. Meanwhile... the pirates flourish and the media whines.

    "Everybody, sooner or later, sits down to a banquet of consequences.":

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    PT boats were freaking awesome. I think they were also the first to use the MK-19. My personal favorite weapon system. I would be more than happy to cruise in a PT boat with maybe 3 other boats armed with MK-19's and .50's. How fun would that be?

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    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.ö Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    This would be a better platform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...boot_P6121.jpg

    MK 19 40mm was developed in the '60's 'n never saw service in WWII. PT boats were normally equipped with a pair of MA-2 .50 MG's and a single or dual Orlikon MK4 20mm astern plus 4 torpedo tubes. I can tell you guys ain't 'Navy'.

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