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    I am open to hearing both sides of the argument. I don't believe that everyone is. I was on the Brady Center's site and read this http://bradycampaign.org/media/release.php?release=878

    I believe that the more influence peolpe like the president of the Brady center have on this country, the worse our rights will continue to be oppressed. Thank God for some Judges that remain true to the Constitution of OUR country. DC, hang in there. You'll be free soon!

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    BobCav wrote:
    "Keep you friends close...keep your enemies even closer" - SunTzu

    I've never understood the phrase "I support the second amendment" followed by political hyperbol like:

    1) "Handguns are prohibited"
    2) "We're not trying to take away hunting"<just everything else>

    It's too early to call on the 2008 Presidential race, but I think there will be a "run on the gunshops" if anyone with the mindset of Bloomberg becomes president.

    Bloomberg *SUPPORTS* the 2nd amendment.. For himself, and his fulltime police force.. hehehe

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    psmartin wrote:
    It's too early to call on the 2008 Presidential race, but I think there will be a "run on the gunshops" if anyone with the mindset of Bloomberg becomes president.

    Bloomberg *SUPPORTS* the 2nd amendment.. For himself, and his fulltime police force.. hehehe
    Sounds just like Hitler!

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    BobCav wrote:
    Sounds just like Hitler!
    Hitler had less money. Pretty scary, huh?

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    BobCav wrote:
    psmartin wrote:
    It's too early to call on the 2008 Presidential race, but I think there will be a "run on the gunshops" if anyone with the mindset of Bloomberg becomes president.

    Bloomberg *SUPPORTS* the 2nd amendment.. For himself, and his fulltime police force.. hehehe
    Sounds just like Hitler!
    Oh really? And what did Hitler say?

    Private firearms owership was but possible and easy in Nazi Germany. Hitlerrevised the Waffengesetz (weapons law) in 1938. The last one had been in 1928 -- during the democratic Weimar Republic. Among the changes Hitler made were: 1) lowered the age to own a gun from 20 to 18. 2) Eliminated restictions on quantity of guns and ammo people could own. 3) Hunting license now served as a concealed carry permit. 4) Eliminated registration of guns and ammo except for handguns.

    I'll say that again -- Hitler eliminated most gun registration.

    So in other words Nazi Germany was a gun owner's paradise compared to present day Germany or indeed any other European country except Switzerland.

    Why is it contemporary democratic countriesfind it necessary disarm the people? Clearly because their leadersare not democractic in spirit and they actually fear the people they claim to represent. Hitler's governmenthad no reason to fear the German people as he had almost unnanimous poplular support in Germany right through 1945. (Not rendering a judgement, simply stating the fact.)

    On a related note -- appearently firearms ownership is really widespread in the arab world, despite the "fact" that as we all know (rather are told) all the arab states are dictatorships. If a foriegn army invaded a European country today, there would beno resistance, no"insurgency," because the peoplearen't allowed tohave modern firearms. I find it very interesting thatEngland, France, and Germanyare "free countries" while the places where every adult male has a full auto AK and an RPG are the countries that need to be "liberated" -- according to our leaders. Just something to ponder.

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    appearently firearms ownership is really widespread in the arab world,
    Can you provide a reliable source for this statement?
    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson

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    Virginian683 wrote:
    BobCav wrote:
    psmartin wrote:
    It's too early to call on the 2008 Presidential race, but I think there will be a "run on the gunshops" if anyone with the mindset of Bloomberg becomes president.

    Bloomberg *SUPPORTS* the 2nd amendment.. For himself, and his fulltime police force.. hehehe
    Sounds just like Hitler!
    Oh really? And what did Hitler say?

    Private firearms owership was but possible and easy in Nazi Germany. Hitlerrevised the Waffengesetz (weapons law) in 1938. The last one had been in 1928 -- during the democratic Weimar Republic. Among the changes Hitler made were: 1) lowered the age to own a gun from 20 to 18. 2) Eliminated restictions on quantity of guns and ammo people could own. 3) Hunting license now served as a concealed carry permit. 4) Eliminated registration of guns and ammo except for handguns.

    I'll say that again -- Hitler eliminated most gun registration.

    So in other words Nazi Germany was a gun owner's paradise compared to present day Germany or indeed any other European country except Switzerland.

    Why is it contemporary democratic countriesfind it necessary disarm the people? Clearly because their leadersare not democractic in spirit and they actually fear the people they claim to represent. Hitler's governmenthad no reason to fear the German people as he had almost unnanimous poplular support in Germany right through 1945. (Not rendering a judgement, simply stating the fact.)

    On a related note -- appearently firearms ownership is really widespread in the arab world, despite the "fact" that as we all know (rather are told) all the arab states are dictatorships. If a foriegn army invaded a European country today, there would beno resistance, no"insurgency," because the peoplearen't allowed tohave modern firearms. I find it very interesting thatEngland, France, and Germanyare "free countries" while the places where every adult male has a full auto AK and an RPG are the countries that need to be "liberated" -- according to our leaders. Just something to ponder.

    Virginian683, EXCELLENT POST!!!!! And for the "boo-birds" that are about to label me.....I'm a black, episcopalian conservative!! So..there!!! I've been doing a lot of reading on that era and I'm not to sure everything I've been "fed" on the topic is true.





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    VAopencarry wrote:
    appearently firearms ownership is really widespread in the arab world,
    Can you provide a reliable source for this statement?
    I seem to recall seeing on the TV ,just before the invasion of Iraq, footage of Iraqui citizens freely buying all kinds of guns,no problems. Also, there has recently been footage of guys in the bazaar in Peshawar, Afghanistan, making guns and selling them freely.

    Just my 2 cents worth.

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    Radio quote:

    "We were just waiting for this to happen since the Assualt Weapon Ban was no longer in effect..."

    WHAT?!?!

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    Where did you hear this dribble?

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    Un-F-ing Believable!

    http://bradycampaign.org/media/release.php?release=884

    They're doing it again!

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    http://www.bradycampaign.org/action/50cal/il/

    Here's another one. How many people get car jacked with a Barrett .50 cal?

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    Oh come on...the reference to Hitler was a generalization,nothing more.None of us were there and history is written by the victors. There's more to the picture of both Hitler and Bloomberg. Hitler stomped on civil rights of the German people constantly and forced his personal will and agenda on the whole of Europe and beyond. Sound familiar?

    I will not "admire" him just because he was pro-gun for a period nor doesthat fact disqualifymy statement. He likely armed his population because he knew a war was pending and an armed citizenry makes everyone a "soldier" and puts everyone in a diffferent frame of mind. It is empowering and he knew it. Even Yamamoto said he would not invade mainland America because "behind every blade of grass is a rifle."

    He didn't fear an armed citizenry because he had his jackbooted SS Stormtroopers to kill anyone that spoke out against him or ze party! So much for arming the citizens. He put and kept them in their place. They were better than other "inferior" races, but they were a class below the military, who were below the SS, etc, etc.

    One little thing like that brief pro-gun period does not make the paperhanger a hero of pro-gun rights. That's the same attitude that Brady Center lobbyists today would shove down our throats to convince us to vote some clown into office just because he is on the same gun/abortion/welfare/reform/etc. platform as we happen to be. There are a lot of politicians today that are pro-gun and would be CRAP Presidents. I vote the best candidate for the job, not just because he has an agenda that aligns with my personal beliefs.



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    BobCav wrote:
    Oh come on...the reference to Hitler was a generalization,nothing more.None of us were there and history is written by the victors. There's more to the picture of both Hitler and Bloomberg. Hitler stomped on civil rights of the German people constantly and forced his personal will and agenda on the whole of Europe and beyond. Sound familiar?
    Don't say none of us was there. I know people that read this board that were there. The people are are my family that is now in America to escape Hitler. After getting married, I met my first holocaust survivor.

    As for Hilter being loved by Germans, he disarmed anyone that did not agree with his party. You could have your guns as long as you went along with him. This is not from history books, this is from the mouth of people that live through that [hell] - hell is not the correct term because Jewish religion does not believe in hell.

    So, do not tell me how good Hilter was, how good he treated the people, or how good he was at protecting rights. I've seen and heard first hand accounts of treatment, hiding, and concentration camps. I even have first hand accounts and pictures of the freeing of concentration camps by America GIs. Well from one American GI - my grandfather. He taught me how you cannot let your government get out of control.

    On paper he may have looked good, but the above statement compares to saying handgun violence is down in England since the handgun ban. Maybe, but violent crime as increased unbelievablily.

    Bob, only the first few lines are directed at you.

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    Roger that possumboy, I meant "us" in this conversation.

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    I don't think anyone was standing up for Hitler... at least I hope not... I'd sooner stand up for Castro. At least he is the prime example of the most successful government leader in modern history. He too was pro arming the people until he took over. Then he anyone who was armed was an "enemy of the people". My grandfather spent some time in a Cuban jail because even though he didn't believe in conflict, the rebels bought food and supplies from him with guns. Castro's guys found out and threw him in jail. To the day he died, said that he didn't side with the rebels against Castro, he just liked the guns... I wonder...

    RIP Jorge

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    possumboy wrote:
    As for Hilter being loved by Germans, he disarmed anyone that did not agree with his party. You could have your guns as long as you went along with him. This is not from history books, this is from the mouth of people that live through that [hell] - hell is not the correct term because Jewish religion does not believe in hell.

    So, do not tell me how good Hilter was, how good he treated the people, or how good he was at protecting rights. I've seen and heard first hand accounts of treatment, hiding, and concentration camps.
    I'm in full agreement. My mother and her family were able to escape Hitler's rule in 1938 and came to the U. S.

    My father was with the first American troops that were sent over and aided in the liberation of some the camps.To this day he still can not bring himself to even talk about what he saw.

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    Who shoots a .50 from the hip like the guy in the video?? NOOONE!! That's who.

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    http://bradycampaign.org/media/release.php?release=885

    "We believe that based on existing Federal law, Cho Seung-Hui should not have passed his Brady background checks and should not have been allowed to purchase firearms."

    No Sh.t!

    It has nothing to do with the gun dealer(s) involved, or the guns themselves. This was strictly an omission on the part of this F'd up individual.


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    http://bradycampaign.org/media/release.php?release=888

    "Paul Helmke released the recommendations in a speech at the National Press Club. America's gun violence epidemic, Helmke said, "is our monthly 9-11, our weekly Katrina, a continuing Iraq war on our streets and in our schools. It is our daily Virginia Tech. Yet we don't focus on this threat until we get a Virginia Tech.""

    Does he not realize that the continuing Iraq war IS the contuinuing Iraq war and should not be used for his political agenda? Does he not realize that Katrina was an act of GOD not an act of (a) man? Does he not realize that "gun" violence is the same as blaming the car for being in a fatal accident?

    I am not as eloquent as this individual, but I believe I'm getting my point accross.

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