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    This just happened. There was a shooting in the West Ambler Johnston dorm this morning. Not much info has been released other than the campus is on lockdown.

    http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/story.php?r...amp;itemno=248

    Second time this year that it has happened. I am no longer a student there - but it still makes me furious. Students are not allowed to have weapons on campus to defend themselves.



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    As a former Hokie and resident of AJ this makes me sad.

    I hope the best for all those involved.

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    one reported dead, one injured. Gunmen have "automatic weapons" from what I have heard.

    "rumored" to be a professor

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    *GASP* But firearms possesion by students or staff is prohibited on campus!

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    Are you saying that the University's gun ban didn't work?!?! How outrageous! Goes to show that criminals pay no mind to laws and policy.

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    http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/breaking/wb/113294 -- the Roanoke Times. I'll bet Trejbal will be all over this...

    Sonovab*tch, though, man...as a Hokie (2005), I find this just crazy!

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    1998 myself - never took a gun into my dorm room, but did keep a hunting rifle in the truck during the season. didn't trust campus police to keep it for me.

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    My sister lives in that dorm. My parents have already talked to her and she is ok but sheesh! I will never let anyone question why I carry on campus ever again. If this isn't justificiation, then nothing is.

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    7-8 possibly dead

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    My estimation is probably underclassman doing bad in school and having problems with significant other.

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    Geez... I feel for all of the students, and I fear the anti-'s response...
    -Unrequited

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    7-8 casualties. There were short lived reports of people getting spooked and jumping from windows in the dorms. (2 females in this case). I think the reports of casulties will result in being more collateral damage from the panic. I have only been able to find one dead and several injured...

    I'm not trying to minimize this tradgedy, but also don't want to be as guilty as the media for spreading what I know to be misinformation...

    local news is reporting 7-8 other casualties outside of the shooting victims...

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    VT president should be making a statement anytime now (noon press conference)

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    At least 20 people killed...

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    coltcarrier wrote:
    VT president should be making a statement anytime now (noon press conference)
    VTU president Steger says there were two events one at a few minutes after 7:00 AM and one two hours later at Norris Hall. The shooter at Norris Hall is deceased.

    CNN is reporting that at least 20 people were fatally shot but that is not confirmed yet.

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    This is absolutely horrible. I just heard some students were shot, and killed... while in class.

    If only those students were allowed to protect themselves. This may have turned out different.

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    We need to pray for all involved. Mtn Jack

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    I'm sure it will be late tonight before we get tallies.

    It's a mess and I fear for our gun rights.

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    I pray for everyone except the shooter(s).

    This was a massacre.

    I wonder what kind of maniac with a gun did this. The top cop being interviewed wouldn't release the type of gun used--wouldn't even say if it was a handgun or a rifle.

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    We need to pray, then get really mad at the laws and policies and those who make themin this country that force adults to be disarmed victims led to the slaughter!!! I'd even fly out to help on this one. We cannot allow these victim disarmament situations to exist anymore This cannot go unanswered and deserves a response greater than the CCW info release protest or any appearance at a city council meeting.

    Rally with the Virginians! VCDL lead the way!


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    rabbit994 wrote:

    It's a mess and I fear for our gun rights.





    Don't fear! RALLY for the defense of those helpless students! Defend your rights and defend them!



    Let your comments be heard: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...#uslPageReturn







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    A shooting on a Virginia Tech. School, it is reported that 22 dead 21 Injured, the perp is reported to be dead.

    This will no doubt cause fervor of anti Gun rhetoric, to assail the news for the next couple of week’s maybe more.


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    Such a horrible tragedy, waiting to see how this pans out and how people are going to react to current gun laws in that state.

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    How is this for ironic? Roanoke Times published an article, that many of you probably already know about, on the 13th titled "Virginia Tech's ban on guns may draw legal fire". (See below for the entire article).

    In the article, VT spokesman, Larry Hincker was quoted saying

    We think we have the right to adhere to and enforce that policy because, in the end, we think it's a common-sense policy for the protection of students, staff and faculty as well as guests and visitors
    I wonder what his follow-up response to the families of those students murdered today would be following today's incident.

    Had students and faculty been permitted to carry firearms, the number of casualties could have been dramactically lower.


    http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/wb/xp-21770

    /*** Start of article ***/

    By Kevin Miller
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    BLACKSBURG - Virginia Tech's recent action against a student caught carrying a gun to class could draw unwanted attention from groups already angry about firearms restrictions on public college campuses.

    University officials confirmed that, earlier this semester, campus police approached a student found to be carrying a concealed handgun to class. The unnamed student was not charged with any crimes because he holds a state-issued permit allowing him to carry a concealed gun. But the student could face disciplinary action from the university for violating its policy prohibiting "unauthorized possession, storage or control" of firearms on campus.

    Tech spokesman Larry Hincker declined to release the student's name or specifics of the incident, citing rules protecting student confidentiality. But Hincker said Tech's ban on guns dates back several decades.
    Students who violate the school policy could be called before the university's internal judicial affairs system, which has wide discretion in handing down penalties ranging from a reprimand to expulsion.
    "I think it's fair to say that we believe guns don't belong in the classroom," Hincker said. "In an academic environment, we believe you should be free from fear."

    Most public colleges in Virginia ban or restrict guns on campus. But the root of that authority is murky, according to some observers.

    Virginia law already prohibits students or visitors from carrying guns onto the grounds of public and private K-12 schools. The state also prohibits concealed weapons in courthouses, places of worship during a service, jails and on any private property where the owner has posted a "no guns" notice. State employees are barred from possessing guns while at work unless needed for their job.

    But Virginia code is silent on guns and public colleges. And two bills seeking to give college governing boards the authority to regulate firearms on campus died in committee during this year's General Assembly session.

    David Briggman, a resident of Keezletown in Rockingham County, has made it his personal mission to challenge state colleges' authority to enact tougher gun restrictions than the state.

    Briggman, who is a former police officer, said he forced Blue Ridge Community College to allow him to carry a gun onto campus while a student. And he sued James Madison University over its ban on concealed weapons even among permit holders. While JMU's policy still stands, Briggman said he has been told by campus police officials that they will not arrest visitors who carry a gun legally.

    "It's extremely easy to challenge university policy by looking at ... whether they are given the statutory authority to regulate firearms on campus, and of course, they're not," Briggman said Tuesday.

    Hincker, meanwhile, said it is not unusual for colleges to have more restrictive policies than the state. As an example, Hincker said certain chemicals and explosives that are legal on the outside are prohibited in the classroom or in dormitories for safety reasons.

    "We think we have the right to adhere to and enforce that policy because, in the end, we think it's a common-sense policy for the protection of students, staff and faculty as well as guests and visitors," Hincker said.

    Virginia Tech also has the backing of the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police. In a policy position paper dated April 1, association executive director Dana Schrad wrote that the presence of guns on college campuses "adds a dangerous element to an environment in which alcohol is a compounding factor." Students should not have to be concerned about guns on campus, Schrad wrote.

    "The excellent reputation of Virginia's colleges and universities depends in part on the public's belief that they are sending their college-age children to safe environments," the policy paper reads.

    At least one attorney who represents college students would like to see the concealed-carry permit issue clarified.

    John Robertson, the Student Legal Services attorney at Tech, said he's heard differing interpretations of the policy at Tech. Robertson, whose position is funded through the Student Government Association's budget, does not represent students in disputes with the university but offers free legal advice and services to students on civil and criminal matters.

    Robertson said he would like to see either a court or the state Attorney General's Office resolve the matter. As for a university's refusal to honor a concealed-carry permit, Robertson added: "I am dubious that one particular arm of the state can do so without a particular statute."

    Hincker acknowledged that the concealed guns issue had "never been tested" and that the university could be opening itself up to legal action.

    "But we stand by the policy unequivocally," Hincker said.

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