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Thread: My sidearm offended several

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    I was at the tanning salon with my girlfriend yesterday.

    I had walked in the day before Openly carrying my .22, the clerk asked me if I was an LEO, I said no, but I do have a permit, as I could tell he was nervous.

    Yesterday I walked out and my girlfriend said a different kid talked to her and said they told him to tell me that they would appreciate if I did not wear my sidearm into the salon, as a client had made a remark about it.

    First off, he said he did not want to tell me directly because he was scared to, well I find this offensive to me, and to all of the legal gun owners, by saying this, he was implying that I would shoot up the store if he said I could not wear my firearm openly. I would not have a problem with this at all if he had told me directly, I do not feel a need for my weapon inside the salon but I also feel very unsafe leaving it in my car loaded and without a person in my vehicle.

    Now, I guess I have two options here, I can wear my firearm into the salon again since they never told me directly nor should they use my girlfriend as a messenger pigeon. But I am not looking for trouble at all, and I do like to respect peoples wishes.

    I think I would like to cancel my membership to this particular business today, has anyone have any input or been in a situation like this before?

    I would appreciate some insight.

    I do see a concern as this is a business and they do not want clients leaving because 'a man in a gun goes there' but I also am offended not only that they do not like me having it, but because they cannot tell me personally.



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    i think i'd wait until they asked me to leave, then on my way out, cancel.

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    openryan wrote:
    First off, he said he did not want to tell me directly because he was scared to, well I find this offensive to me, and to all of the legal gun owners, by saying this, he was implying that I would shoot up the store if he said I could not wear my firearm openly. I would not have a problem with this at all if he had told me directly, I do not feel a need for my weapon inside the salon but I also feel very unsafe leaving it in my car loaded and without a person in my vehicle.
    How is he implying that? It could be that he is not really implying what you said but that you are simplyinferring it without cause.

    openryan wrote:
    I do see a concern as this is a business and they do not want clients leaving because 'a man in a gun goes there' but I also am offended not only that they do not like me having it, but because they cannot tell me personally.

    This is a very well formuated compound statement. Why not communicate it directly to the guy? Maybe you two could work out a compromise that will satisfy both of your needs, he'll withdraw hisobjection, or you'll accede to his wishes.

    I would try to work it out.


    BTW, what does the thread title "My sidearm offended several" mean. Were there several people involved?

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    Me being who I am, I would NEVER EVER put someone's feelings over my or other people's safety.

    I don't care if I offend the Pope, because if **** hit the fan, he's going to do 2 things: pray and call for someone with a gun.

    With your particular situation, I would keep carrying until the owner askedme not to carry thereanymore. I would then cancel my membership and take my business elsewhere.

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    Oh, I have no problem talking with him and may even carry concealed and keep my membership, but that flew out the window pretty much when he addressed my girlfriend about the matter in lieu of myself. Also I do not think the burden is on me as the customer, I believe they should be the ones to resolve any issues they see.



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    I think you should work on getting some tanlines that show that you not only openlywear your gun, but sometimes you wear nothing BUT your gun.
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    I'd call and ask to talk to the owner or manager (in that order). It would be best if you knew the cowardly kid's name. Explain the circumstances and see what they say. If they stick to the no guns position, cancel your membership with the demand that they don't charge you a termination fee. Also, send the shop's info to VCDL's Gun Owner Unfriendly list.


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    rlh2005 wrote:
    If they stick to the no guns position, cancel your membership with the demand that they don't charge you a termination fee. Also, send the shop's info to VCDL's Gun Owner Unfriendly list.
    I didn't get from the OP that the shop had a "no guns" position.




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    I live in Indiana and I have only seen people oc once in a blue moon, and they are generally people who have jobs that require them to carry, not many people realize oc is legal, and I think they get a little nervous when they see it.

    However there was no signage that said guns were not permitted, moreso it sounded like a client complained to the kids behind the counter while I was in the back.

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    Unless they have the balls to tell you to your face, ignore them..

    If they press the issue, tell them you will do business elsewhere, and then do it.

    There are too many village idiots among us.

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    openryan wrote:
    I live in Indiana and I have only seen people oc once in a blue moon, and they are generally people who have jobs that require them to carry, not many people realize oc is legal, and I think they get a little nervous when they see it.

    However there was no signage that said guns were not permitted, moreso it sounded like a client complained to the kids behind the counter while I was in the back.

    Would you leave if someone was bothered by your race/sex/religion/car you drive? Sounds like they are the ones that need to change their ways or go somewhere else.

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    If it isn't posted, I'd carry. If I was asked to leave, I'd cancel. I'm sure you can find another salon that wants your business.

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    Concur, carry until they find the balls to ask you to leave. Then again, you may be there a while....

    They might just realize...OH MY GOD, nothing happened!!!

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    I'd go one step further. A salon is a small shop where the people and clients aren't just faces and names; or they don't have to be. Go again and strike up a conversation, let them get to know you as a stable guy with a sense of humor.A few visits like that and things might very well settle down. The businesses I frequent, seem almost to think, "Oh good, here's the gun guy. No robber is gonna try anything while he's here." You can see the friendliness in their faces when I walk in the door. However, this didn't happen just because I was just one more customer who happened to carry a gun. Its because I struck up conversations with the staff, "Boy, y'all look busy today!" Etc. Etc.I got to know them a little bit; and they got to know me a little bit.

    That other customer that complains will soon be hearing, "Him? He'sa regular. No ma'am, he has the right and we're glad to have him."

    I might even make a pretext visit between appt's, "Oh, I was passing by. I think I left my (sunglasses, book, F350) here last time. Have you seen it? Oh, well thanks.Seguegently into asking a question that shows you've taken notice of him/her. For example, "Ihave/haven't met you here before. Are you new? How long have you beenworking here?" You getthe idea.
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    My family and I all get our hair done at an expensive salon in Manassas and I open carry there every time I go. Nobody has even mentioned it except for the girl who regularly cuts our hair, but she's totally cool with it. Her husband has a concealed carry permit and she shoots too, so it's no big deal. If the owner has a problem with it she's never said a word, probably because when my wife and daughters get the works we regularly drop a couple hundred bucks (including tips).

    Now you know why the piggy bank in my avatar is so skinny.

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    I had walked in the day before Openly carrying my .22, the clerk asked me if I was an LEO, I said no, but I do have a permit, as I could tell he was nervous.

    I wouldn't worry about the tanning salon. Your problem is that you're relying on an underpowered mouse gun for self-defense.

    Get a bigger gun!

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    44Brent wrote:
    I had walked in the day before Openly carrying my .22, the clerk asked me if I was an LEO, I said no, but I do have a permit, as I could tell he was nervous.

    I wouldn't worry about the tanning salon. Your problem is that you're relying on an underpowered mouse gun for self-defense.

    Get a bigger gun!
    Yeah- if the were offended by a .22- Im thinking about a pair of 50 caliber Desert Eagles with custom embossed leather holsters, emblazoned with "American Badass"...

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    ConditionThree wrote:
    44Brent wrote:
    I had walked in the day before Openly carrying my .22, the clerk asked me if I was an LEO, I said no, but I do have a permit, as I could tell he was nervous.

    I wouldn't worry about the tanning salon. Your problem is that you're relying on an underpowered mouse gun for self-defense.

    Get a bigger gun!
    Yeah- if the were offended by a .22- Im thinking about a pair of 50 caliber Desert Eagles with custom embossed leather holsters, emblazoned with "American Badass"...

    Too much?:P
    Laughing my ass off!

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    True, a .22 is no cannon by any stretch, but it would serve its purpose if you needed it.



    At anyrate, I thought i would update you on my situation, I hadn't gone to this place in the past week, not since it happened, not because of what happened, just because I've been very busy with work and my business, and my g/f went in there a few days ago and apparently they don't care anymore if i bring it in, probably because my money speaks louder than I do.



    what a crock



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    sitedzn wrote:
    i think i'd wait until they asked me to leave, then on my way out, cancel.
    +1

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    ConditionThree wrote:
    Yeah- if the were offended by a .22- Im thinking about a pair of 50 caliber Desert Eagles with custom embossed leather holsters, emblazoned with "American Badass"...

    Too much?:P
    I was downtown Geneva on 9/12/01, and I saw this guy, about 6' 6", cowboy hat, long moustache, and a leather coat down to the top of the heels on his boots. The back of his coat said "God Bless America."

    I wanted to run up and bear-hug him, but I held off.

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    openryan wrote:
    True, a .22 is no cannon by any stretch, but it would serve its purpose if you needed it.
    Man,a .22 serves about the same purpose as shooting an NFL offensive lineman with an air rifle! Unless you get REAL lucky, it's just gonna piss him off more! So, unless your really, reallyskilled at marksmanship and your shot placement is absolutely impeccable, I would advise not going armed with any caliber that doesn't have .4 as the first digit or above!

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    openryan wrote:
    True, a .22 is no cannon by any stretch, but it would serve its purpose if you needed it.
    Man,a .22 serves about the same purpose as shooting an NFL offensive lineman with an air rifle! Unless you get REAL lucky, it's just gonna piss him off more! So, unless your really, reallyskilled at marksmanship and your shot placement is absolutely impeccable, I would advise not going armed with any caliber that doesn't have .4 as the first digit or above!
    you wouldn't? not even .357mag?

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    Let's pass around the hat and get OpenRyan some money for a real caliber.

    A .22 is for plinking, 9mm or larger is for defense.. Remember, anyone worth shooting once is worth shooting twice.

    But, I would agree that for deterence(ie: open carry) a .22 is as good as a .45, but if you ever needed to draw & fire, you might have to keep shooting until the slide locks back. (maybe inaccurate, but funny)

    KodiakISGOOD wrote:
    personaltrainer1987 wrote:
    openryan wrote:
    True, a .22 is no cannon by any stretch, but it would serve its purpose if you needed it.
    Man,a .22 serves about the same purpose as shooting an NFL offensive lineman with an air rifle! Unless you get REAL lucky, it's just gonna piss him off more! So, unless your really, reallyskilled at marksmanship and your shot placement is absolutely impeccable, I would advise not going armed with any caliber that doesn't have .4 as the first digit or above!
    you wouldn't? not even .357mag?

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    well it seems like most of you dont agree with my gun choice ;-P

    but if i have to shoot someone, i dont anticipate them being more than 20 feet away from me, any situation i come up with i dont expect someone to be farther than that

    so if i do have to shoo them, im going to shoot them in the head/chest

    and if i run out of bullets ill just kick his ass



    but regardless i went to the range yesterday and was shooting a .357, didnt like it, too much kick, felt like i was trying to aim a cannon, and forget shooting double action, way to jittery for that stuff



    but i would like a 9mm, or even .40 s/w would be nice, but when it comes down to it i dont have the money right now -- oh well

    and i dont really feel like my gun deters anyone, i mean if someone wants to commit a crime that bad, they are going to see it and take me out first most likely, i just feel more comfortable wearing it openly and not getting jabbed in my side when i sit down





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