On Friday, April 27, during a routine patrol of our parking lots, one of our security officers noticed a box of ammunition in a student vehicle. We immediately notified the Spotsylvania Sheriff's Office and searched the vehicle. Inside the vehicle we foundone rifle, one shotgun, ammunition,two paintball guns, and a knife. The studentwho drove the vehicleto school was arrested by the deputies for having weapons on school property. No threats or other indicators of the student planning anything with theweapons was made or found. The student stated that he had been target practicing the previous day and forgot the weapons were in his vehicle. I credit our security procedures and the vigilance of the security officer for the discovery of these items on the MHS campus. While we constantly monitor the entire school campus every day, we will continue to remain at a high level of security to keep our students and staff safe. I believe this was an isolated incident and is no cause for alarm for the MHS community.
Why am I not surprised to hear this coming from a LEO? You do realize that most of us do not have the super citizen status that you have which allows you to remain protected at all times. I read somewhere that it was a right but I guess I missed the part that specified that you have to have super citizen class for it to apply. So tell me mister super citizen why do I have to leave my protection behind if I visit a school? A restaurant that serves alcohol? A post office? Do I really need to continue?Sucks to be him....
He really should have known better. You should never store unsecured firearms in your vehicle anyway.
And then.... to leave one of the guns loaded too. I hope there was no round in the chamber.
Here's the school principal's email (noon today) to parents on the event:
Sounds like sloppy gun handling, especially in leaving an unsecured loaded shotgun in the truck.There's no defending that. Doesn't anyone teach these kids practical safety anymore?On Friday, April 27, during a routine patrol of our parking lots, one of our security officers noticed a box of ammunition in a student vehicle. We immediately notified the Spotsylvania Sheriff's Office and searched the vehicle. Inside the vehicle we foundone rifle, one shotgun, ammunition,two paintball guns, and a knife. The studentwho drove the vehicleto school was arrested by the deputies for having weapons on school property. No threats or other indicators of the student planning anything with theweapons was made or found. The student stated that he had been target practicing the previous day and forgot the weapons were in his vehicle. I credit our security procedures and the vigilance of the security officer for the discovery of these items on the MHS campus. While we constantly monitor the entire school campus every day, we will continue to remain at a high level of security to keep our students and staff safe. I believe this was an isolated incident and is no cause for alarm for the MHS community.
Why are you directing your rant at someone who is tasked with enforcing the law, and not at someone who is tasked with changing it?Why am I not surprised to hear this coming from a LEO? You do realize that most of us do not have the super citizen status that you have which allows you to remain protected at all times. I read somewhere that it was a right but I guess I missed the part that specified that you have to have super citizen class for it to apply. So tell me mister super citizen why do I have to leave my protection behind if I visit a school? A restaurant that serves alcohol? A post office? Do I really need to continue?
Why do I have to worry about the undefendable safety of my family when in certain areas and you don't? How do I explain to my children that I can not provide for their protection because I am not of a certain class of citizen in a free nation? How do I explain to my children that they can not provide for their own protection because they are neither of the proper arbatrary age nor of a certain class of citizen?
Take your time...
LEO 229 wrote:Why am I not surprised to hear this coming from a LEO? You do realize that most of us do not have the super citizen status that you have which allows you to remain protected at all times. I read somewhere that it was a right but I guess I missed the part that specified that you have to have super citizen class for it to apply. So tell me mister super citizen why do I have to leave my protection behind if I visit a school? A restaurant that serves alcohol? A post office? Do I really need to continue?Sucks to be him....
He really should have known better. You should never store unsecured firearms in your vehicle anyway.
And then.... to leave one of the guns loaded too. I hope there was no round in the chamber.
Why do I have to worry about the undefendable safety of my family when in certain areas and you don't? How do I explain to my children that I can not provide for their protection because I am not of a certain class of citizen in a free nation? How do I explain to my children that they can not provide for their own protection because they are neither of the proper arbatrary age nor of a certain class of citizen?
Take your time...
Representative do not listen or act and I have hundreds of pages of letters I have sent (yes I save them all so I can pair them up with the very few response and they also work good for future reference). The people that enforce the law can refuse to support and enforce bad legislation, in effect nullifying it. Laws are only as good as the enforcement they receive.Toad wrote:Why are you directing your rant at someone who is tasked with enforcing the law, and not at someone who is tasked with changing it?Why am I not surprised to hear this coming from a LEO? You do realize that most of us do not have the super citizen status that you have which allows you to remain protected at all times. I read somewhere that it was a right but I guess I missed the part that specified that you have to have super citizen class for it to apply. So tell me mister super citizen why do I have to leave my protection behind if I visit a school? A restaurant that serves alcohol? A post office? Do I really need to continue?
Why do I have to worry about the undefendable safety of my family when in certain areas and you don't? How do I explain to my children that I can not provide for their protection because I am not of a certain class of citizen in a free nation? How do I explain to my children that they can not provide for their own protection because they are neither of the proper arbatrary age nor of a certain class of citizen?
Take your time...
While I agree that the Gun Free Zones don't really work and that most of us law-abiding lawfully-concealed-handgun carriers are not going to start shooting in the presence of alcohol or children (i.e. restaurants and schools), I don't think complaining to the LEOs is really going to fix anything.
If you're that concerned about it, you oughtta write your representative
However, being a LEO doesn't make one any better than the rest of us especially to the point of receiving special rights, which was the point of my post.
Man, the CEO of my company came by on the 17th (the day after Virginia Tech) to console me and tell me of how school was back in his day--each student at his college (in Texas) had at least a rifle and a handgun...and they'd wear the pistols to class! And back in the day, whenever someone got hotheaded and started a fight, apparently, no one ever thought to go for their guns--it was all fists and grappling, and after it was over, everyone got up and went home.I am a concerned about the search, though. Did they break into the truck to do it? Is that legal? If they did break into the truck and it is legal, why didn't they just go grab the kid and get him to open it up?
So you think I am going to overlook you in violation of the law? What shall we overlook next? How about Date Rape? She said NO! But we all know she was asking for it.Representative do not listen or act and I have hundreds of pages of letters I have sent (yes I save them all so I can pair them up with the very few response and they also work good for future reference). The people that enforce the law can refuse to support and enforce bad legislation, in effect nullifying it. Laws are only as good as the enforcement they receive.
However, being a LEO doesn't make one any better than the rest of us especially to the point of receiving special rights, which was the point of my post.
HankT wrote:Man, the CEO of my company came by on the 17th (the day after Virginia Tech) to console me and tell me of how school was back in his day--each student at his college (in Texas) had at least a rifle and a handgun...and they'd wear the pistols to class! And back in the day, whenever someone got hotheaded and started a fight, apparently, no one ever thought to go for their guns--it was all fists and grappling, and after it was over, everyone got up and went home.I am a concerned about the search, though. Did they break into the truck to do it? Is that legal? If they did break into the truck and it is legal, why didn't they just go grab the kid and get him to open it up?
Truly a different era.
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I suspect the "probable cause" thing came into play when the kid's vehicle was searched, brought on by the box of ammo on his front seat.
I agree, though, the kid should have known better.
I am allowed to run red traffic signals and stop signs.
Toad wrote:However, being a LEO doesn't make one any better than the rest of us especially to the point of receiving special rights, which was the point of my post.
How is that the point of your prior post? Isn't this thread about a goof with a gun who left a loaded shotgun in his truck in a school parking lot?
LEO 229 said:
"He really should have known better. You should never store unsecured firearms in your vehicle anyway.
And then.... to leave one of the guns loaded too..."
What is wrong with that position, Toad? Seems reasonable to me. What is itabout LEO 229's statement that is wrong in your opinion?
Even more when your headed back to the station and they are hot and fresh!!LEO 229 wrote:I am allowed to run red traffic signals and stop signs.
Betcha that comes in handy when the Hot Light goes on at KK....
But if your going to own and posses guns... you better be responsible and know the laws. It should have been a normal routine for him to remove all the guns from his vehicle and lock them up in the house after the range.
How you can just "Forget" they were in there and go to school the next dayseems suspicious to me. Then... to have one of the guns be loaded!! Did he leave the range with a loaded gun?
HankT wrote:Even more when your headed back to the station and they are hot and fresh!!LEO 229 wrote:I am allowed to run red traffic signals and stop signs.
Betcha that comes in handy when the Hot Light goes on at KK....
well, VA law requires students to secure their guns in vehicles, unloaded, while on school grounds. Too bad the shotgun was loaded - had it been unloaded, no crime would have been committed.Sucks to be him....
He really should have known better. You should never store unsecured firearms in your vehicle anyway.
And then.... to leave one of the guns loaded too. I hope there was no round in the chamber.
Lies, cops don't share dounts at station, they pull into group of 3 and pass them around. Ever seen 3 cops in a parking lot? They are either sharing food or playing wireless PSP.HankT wrote:Even more when your headed back to the station and they are hot and fresh!!LEO 229 wrote:I am allowed to run red traffic signals and stop signs.
Betcha that comes in handy when the Hot Light goes on at KK....