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    For quite some time I have not been attending church services since our Commonwealth prevents me from attending a religious service on private property unless I have "good and sufficient reason."

    To hell with laws penned by fools that strip me of my God given right to defend my family and myself.

    This past weekend was very special...and missing church was not an option. I considered carrying concealed...and then asked myself; did I have good and sufficient reason to carry? My pistol was carried openly on my hip as it is every day - and we went to church.

    This next legislative session we need to remove this life-threatening legislation. In the meantime I plan on meeting with my priest to discuss the choice I have made - risk prosecution for defending my family or lead them to potential slaughter.

    I know I made the right choice.



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    I Googled the phrase "church shooting" andit came up with 11,400 hits. I would say that you havea lot of "good and sufficient reason".

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    LoveMyCountry wrote:
    I Googled the phrase "church shooting" andit came up with 11,400 hits. I would say that you havea lot of "good and sufficient reason
    +1

    Alabama has a lot of really stupid gun laws, but concealed carry in places of worship is legal. I conceal carry EVERYWHERE (where legal), so I strap on my full frame Glock 20 if I'm at church and have a coat, or I use my Galco Ultra Deep Cover holster to hide my Para Nighthawg in the small my back. The Va. Tech massacre can happen any time, anywhere. No place is safe, unfortunately, and the more victim disarmament zones there are, the more potential there is for disaster. Good luck getting the law changed up there. We're still working on open carry down here . . .

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    I would, but can't for the same reason I can't carry at our Knights of Columbus meetings.....the Catholic schoolis on the same property and connected to the church.

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    LoveMyCountry wrote:
    I Googled the phrase "church shooting" andit came up with 11,400 hits. I would say that you havea lot of "good and sufficient reason".

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    Yeah figured that to be true after I got told that by a retired ATF fellow at a Hunter Ed. Instructor training session.

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    the law say you need "good and sufficient reason". that isn't really outlined, i guess its open to interpretation.

    i don't go to church, but if i did, i'd be wearing a gun.

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    I would just go concealed (Obviously if you have your CCW). Its your choice though.

    Interesting wikipedia definition/breakdown of Law...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law

    "Tort law allows claims for compensation when someone or their property is harmed. But if the harm is criminalised, and the act is intentional, criminal law offers means to prosecute and punish the perpetrator."

    "Constitutional law provides a framework for creating laws, protecting people's human rights, and electing political representatives, while administrative law allows ordinary citizens to challenge the way governments exercise power."



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    I sure hope you do not get stopped. But if you do and your reason is accepted as "good and sufficient" please let us know.




    § 18.2-283. Carrying dangerous weapon to place of religious worship.

    If any person carry any gun, pistol, bowie knife, dagger or other dangerous weapon, without good and sufficient reason, to a place of worship while a meeting for religious purposes is being held at such place he shall be guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor.

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    LEO 229 wrote:

    § 18.2-283. Carrying dangerous weapon to place of religious worship.

    If any person carry any gun, pistol, bowie knife, dagger or other dangerous weapon, without good and sufficient reason, to a place of worship while a meeting for religious purposes is being held at such place he shall be guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor.
    LEO, I want to ask you what would be considered a good and significant reason to carry into a church? Would stalking be a good reason? Or your ex threatened you?

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    packingdressagerider wrote:
    LEO 229 wrote:

    § 18.2-283. Carrying dangerous weapon to place of religious worship.

    If any person carry any gun, pistol, bowie knife, dagger or other dangerous weapon, without good and sufficient reason, to a place of worship while a meeting for religious purposes is being held at such place he shall be guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor.
    LEO, I want to ask you what would be considered a good and significant reason to carry into a church? Would stalking be a good reason? Or your ex threatened you?
    Wow.. I honestly cannot say....

    I thought about it but if you need a gun for a real and current threat.. maybe you should not go to Church today.

    Maybe if the Church you attend has a crazy preacher who wants to kill you?

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    LEO 229 wrote:

    Wow.. I honestly cannot say....

    I thought about it but if you need a gun for a real and current threat.. maybe you should not go to Church today.

    Maybe if the Church you attend has a crazy preacher who wants to kill you?
    I know...I'll watch it on TV. Why don't you ask somebody for us what would be 'good cause.'

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    Maybe if the Church you attend has a crazy preacher who wants to kill you?
    Wow, that would be newsworthy!

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    packingdressagerider wrote:
    LEO 229 wrote:

    Wow.. I honestly cannot say....

    I thought about it but if you need a gun for a real and current threat.. maybe you should not go to Church today.

    Maybe if the Church you attend has a crazy preacher who wants to kill you?
    I know...I'll watch it on TV. Why don't you ask somebody for us what would be 'good cause.'
    I do not think anyone can provide an example. The law was written in such a manner that it is open to the views of the person having to decide.


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    http://wjz.com/topstories/local_story_003083229.html

    Rash of church robberies recently. This one is from last year, but it was first on Google. Sounds likea good reason to me...

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    I guess that could be a good reason

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    Let's not forget the rash of robberies that happened in church parking lots in Richmond last year

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    Have you informed your pastor of this? Only as CYA type of deal

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