Hawkflyer
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Actually, you did not irritate me at all. While I disagree with a lot of what you are saying, I don't take any of this personally. But you did start by saying you wanted peoples opinions on this subject. If you don't want the answer please don't ask the question.
It happens that I carry a 629 fairly often, both OC and CC. Now I will admit that I am 6'3" and 200 pounds, so maybe if you are a lot smaller than that you might have a problem carrying one. My wife also carries this same firearms some times and she is only 5'7" and about 140 lbs. It causes her no problem at all either OC or CC. I use a Galco pancake for this purpose and the gun is held high and tight at my 3:00. It conceals under even a tee shirt, so I guess I really don't see your problem with a holster.
Based on your description, you spend a lot of time concentrating on retention. Every second of that time is a diversion from your situational awareness. Having to place your hand on the gun often to verify and secure it defeats any attempt at concealment. If you cannot do a forward roll and retain the weapon without any special steps to do so, your carry method does not pass the retention tests that are the standard. Moreover, every time you grab the grip, you risk someone misinterpreting your actions, with the possibility of disastrous results.
As to convenience of putting the thing on, it takes me all of 30 seconds to put on a proper holster for the same gun you mention. Now as I said i have put the gun in my back pocket and even tucked it in my belt or put it in my front pocket for short carry periods. But I would never consider this for any kind of public carry for extended periods of time. Now mine is a 3" so this is really a bit better than a longer barrel would be.
The fact is that you will drop the gun at some point. No matter what you say, when that happens you are depending 100% on the hardware to prevent an AD. In your original post you said -
So please excuse me for the assumption that you are depending on the mechanical elements of the weapon to prevent an AD. I admit I suffer from the ability to read. I would like to know where this miracle of a weapon that cannot be fired inside a pair of pants can be bought. I also presume that what you meant to say was that if dropped the gun will not "LIKELY' go off, and that this would be accomplished through a superior mindset and not a dependance on the mechanics of the weapon.
If it is in a holster and you drop it, the gun is cushioned from impact, the hammer in most holsters is covered, and in any case the trigger is covered. The covered trigger prevents getting caught in clothes or anything else.
Clearly, while I may have spent more time explaining to you why Mexican carry is a bad idea than others here, my view on this is not unique. Nor is that view based on an unreasonable view of the issues. When you know more about accidental shooting you will see that a significant number are the result of upholstered carry. As I said, eventually the trigger will catch on your cloths as you push the gun in your belt, or you will shove it in with your finger in the wrong place due to being distracted. Or you will drop the gun and the trigger will hit an object and fire the gun.
Before the redesign of the S&W internal action parts in the 1940's you could set one off by dropping it on the hammer. A sailor was killed that way and the FBI researched the cause of the death which spurred a redesign of the action. Before that these revolvers were considered absolutely safe if dropped.
So from my point of view you can do what you want. If I see you around me, using Mexican Carry, I will get as far from you as I can. Eventually the safety problem you pose will correct itself, and I do not want to be around you when it does. It is a lot of paperwork and I have better things to do than that.
Regards
Actually, you did not irritate me at all. While I disagree with a lot of what you are saying, I don't take any of this personally. But you did start by saying you wanted peoples opinions on this subject. If you don't want the answer please don't ask the question.
It happens that I carry a 629 fairly often, both OC and CC. Now I will admit that I am 6'3" and 200 pounds, so maybe if you are a lot smaller than that you might have a problem carrying one. My wife also carries this same firearms some times and she is only 5'7" and about 140 lbs. It causes her no problem at all either OC or CC. I use a Galco pancake for this purpose and the gun is held high and tight at my 3:00. It conceals under even a tee shirt, so I guess I really don't see your problem with a holster.
Based on your description, you spend a lot of time concentrating on retention. Every second of that time is a diversion from your situational awareness. Having to place your hand on the gun often to verify and secure it defeats any attempt at concealment. If you cannot do a forward roll and retain the weapon without any special steps to do so, your carry method does not pass the retention tests that are the standard. Moreover, every time you grab the grip, you risk someone misinterpreting your actions, with the possibility of disastrous results.
As to convenience of putting the thing on, it takes me all of 30 seconds to put on a proper holster for the same gun you mention. Now as I said i have put the gun in my back pocket and even tucked it in my belt or put it in my front pocket for short carry periods. But I would never consider this for any kind of public carry for extended periods of time. Now mine is a 3" so this is really a bit better than a longer barrel would be.
The fact is that you will drop the gun at some point. No matter what you say, when that happens you are depending 100% on the hardware to prevent an AD. In your original post you said -
So please excuse me for the assumption that you are depending on the mechanical elements of the weapon to prevent an AD. I admit I suffer from the ability to read. I would like to know where this miracle of a weapon that cannot be fired inside a pair of pants can be bought. I also presume that what you meant to say was that if dropped the gun will not "LIKELY' go off, and that this would be accomplished through a superior mindset and not a dependance on the mechanics of the weapon.
If it is in a holster and you drop it, the gun is cushioned from impact, the hammer in most holsters is covered, and in any case the trigger is covered. The covered trigger prevents getting caught in clothes or anything else.
Clearly, while I may have spent more time explaining to you why Mexican carry is a bad idea than others here, my view on this is not unique. Nor is that view based on an unreasonable view of the issues. When you know more about accidental shooting you will see that a significant number are the result of upholstered carry. As I said, eventually the trigger will catch on your cloths as you push the gun in your belt, or you will shove it in with your finger in the wrong place due to being distracted. Or you will drop the gun and the trigger will hit an object and fire the gun.
Before the redesign of the S&W internal action parts in the 1940's you could set one off by dropping it on the hammer. A sailor was killed that way and the FBI researched the cause of the death which spurred a redesign of the action. Before that these revolvers were considered absolutely safe if dropped.
So from my point of view you can do what you want. If I see you around me, using Mexican Carry, I will get as far from you as I can. Eventually the safety problem you pose will correct itself, and I do not want to be around you when it does. It is a lot of paperwork and I have better things to do than that.
Regards
