A Call for the Resignation of Mason District Supervisor/Chancellor Penelope Gross

Citizen · May 18, 2007

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Tess wrote:

I'm trying to think of a reason to make an appointment to go interview her. Then show up OC.

However, I don't live in Mason district and I really have no reason to do so.

Collaborators anywhere?

Weren't you just saying to not exacerbate the situation?

I was trying to find ways to show that she couldn't have been all that intimidated, under which heading would appear, "he was never there in the first place."

Tess · May 18, 2007

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Citizen wrote:

Tess wrote:

I'm trying to think of a reason to make an appointment to go interview her. Then show up OC.

However, I don't live in Mason district and I really have no reason to do so.

Collaborators anywhere?

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Weren't you just saying to not exacerbate the situation?

I was trying to find ways to show that she couldn't have been all that intimidated, under which heading would appear, "he was never there in the first place."

Yes, I did say that. But I wasn't clear.

I think it would be a mistake to FOIA anything. If the constituent doesn't want to be identified, so be it. That's his right. We gain nothing by attempting to learn his identity, and anything like a FOIA, in writing, provides her fodder.

I really like the "in your face" without being in your face, if you know what I mean. I'd like to interview her on, say, traffic issues or Fairfax County budget stance. Something totally unrelated. Just because I'm armed when I ask......

Anyway, I also mentioned I don't havea real reason.

And it likely couldn't work now. I'm reasonably certain at least one, if not more, reporter reads our boards. How else would the Washington Post reported have known to find us at Starbucks before last night's meeting?

Tomahawk · May 18, 2007

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How about a "Penelope Gross Gun Giveaway"? :dude:

Tess · May 18, 2007

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Tomahawk wrote:

How about a "Penelope Gross Gun Giveaway"? :dude:

Would we have to give away a gross gun? (I didn't know there was a .144 caliber.)

But I do think OCDO should reserve the other big conference room for nights when there's a VCDL meeting scheduled. They could always be gracious and give it up if someone else needed it.

LEO 229 · May 18, 2007

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Tomahawk wrote:

How about a "Penelope Gross Gun Giveaway"? :dude:

Now that would be funny!

She would not like that at all.....

rlh2005 · May 18, 2007

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Tess wrote:

I'm trying to think of a reason to make an appointment to go interview her. Then show up OC.

However, I don't live in Mason district and I really have no reason to do so.

The Fuddruckers is in the Mason district. You're spend money in the Mason district typically once a money and the meal taxes are going to Fairfax County.

Grapeshot · May 18, 2007

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Has anyone else considered the possibility that there was not an open carry visitor to see Supervisor Penelope A. Gross and that she may have manufactured the whole thing? That would prove very interesting indeed!
Yata hey

Tomahawk · May 18, 2007

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Grapeshot wrote:

Has anyone else considered the possibility that there was not an open carry visitor to see Supervisor Penelope A. Gross and that she may have manufactured the whole thing? That would prove very interesting indeed!
Yata hey

I thought about, too, of course, but I wouldn't accuse her of it without some sort of evidence that she's lying. (I'm not like the antis: I believe you have to prove someone is guilty before you can punish them).

In any case, even if it's true and she made it up, you cannot prove it, so it would just turn into a she-said/we-said argument.

Better to assume that there was indeed an armed visitor to speak with her, and challenge her as to why she felt the desire to deny him an audience simply because he is exercising a right, or, if the man was indeed threatening her, why no one alerted the nearby police and had him arrested.

Force her to answer those questions, and you place her on the defensive. We accept that an armed citizen showed up, and we demand that she justify her conduct toward the man, both in his presence and later, in her public statement.

HankT · May 18, 2007

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Tomahawk wrote:

I thought about, too, of course, but I wouldn't accuse her of it without some sort of evidence that she's lying. (I'm not like the antis: I believe you have to prove someone is guilty before you can punish them).

In any case, even if it's true and she made it up, you cannot prove it, so it would just turn into a she-said/we-said argument.

Better to assume that there was indeed an armed visitor to speak with her, and challenge her as to why she felt the desire to deny him an audience simply because he is exercising a right, or, if the man was indeed threatening her, why no one alerted the nearby police and had him arrested.

Force her to answer those questions, and you place her on the defensive. We accept that an armed citizen showed up, and we demand that she justify her conduct toward the man, both in his presence and later, in her public statement.

I agree it's best to accept her assertion that someone did OC into her office. But who was it?

My hunch is that it was someone here, on OCDC. If he is here, he should own up to and give his side of the story. The shortest route toeffectively criticizing Gross would be through the account of the guy who was there. But he ain't standing up....somaybe her shrieking has some validity...

Grapeshot · May 18, 2007

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HankT wrote:

Tomahawk wrote:

I thought about, too, of course, but I wouldn't accuse her of it without some sort of evidence that she's lying. (I'm not like the antis: I believe you have to prove someone is guilty before you can punish them).

In any case, even if it's true and she made it up, you cannot prove it, so it would just turn into a she-said/we-said argument.

Better to assume that there was indeed an armed visitor to speak with her, and challenge her as to why she felt the desire to deny him an audience simply because he is exercising a right, or, if the man was indeed threatening her, why no one alerted the nearby police and had him arrested.

Force her to answer those questions, and you place her on the defensive. We accept that an armed citizen showed up, and we demand that she justify her conduct toward the man, both in his presence and later, in her public statement.

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I agree it's best to accept her assertion that someone did OC into her office. But who was it?

My hunch is that it was someone here, on OCDC. If he is here, he should own up to and give his side of the story. The shortest route toeffectively criticizing Gross would be through the account of the guy who was there. But he ain't standing up....somaybe her shrieking has some validity...

Okay, I'll admit it, though I'm reluctant to do so for personal reasons - it wasn't me:lol: but I wish it had been. It is very apparent that she did not call the police, file a report or take any of the normal steps that someone would be expected to take if they had been threatened by an armed person. Do they not have security cameras at that location? Would filling a FOI not be a logical step towards discrediting her?
Yata hey

rlh2005 · May 19, 2007

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Presumably, the Mason District Building has video surveillance. Maybe a FOIA request for video from the cameras covering her office and the hallway leading to her office would give us the answer.

Grapeshot · May 19, 2007

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Would be very interesting to see the results of this. Maybe they even have a camera in the area where the alledged incident happened. Politicians often cannot stand the glaring light of the truth.
Yata hey

DrMark · May 19, 2007

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Tess wrote:

Her original point said her staff was "startled" when he "demanded" to see her. She re-interpreted that as a threat;if she had done so initially, she would have had police involvement.

I doubt she'd call the police... that would result in more men with guns showing up, further intimidating her!

:lol:

rlh2005 · May 19, 2007

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DrMark wrote:

I doubt she'd call the police... that would result in more men with guns showing up, further intimidating her!

:lol:

Does she know her her office is next 100 feet from a police stations? You know, they often keep lots of guns there.

TEX1N · May 19, 2007

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Tomahawk wrote:

How about a "Penelope Gross Gun Giveaway"? :dude:

If VCDL starts giving away a gun every time an anti is stupid, they'd be broke by the end of the week!

Citizen · May 19, 2007

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BecauseFairfax County decided to pull its little legal stunt, VCDL gave away free tickets at the meeting and didn't draw from the tickets given at the gun stores. This ensured that the guns would be given to NoVA residents, instead of residents in other parts of the state. Now there are two more guns in NoVA that wouldn't have been here if they hadn't tried to stop the drawing! :lol::lol:

Somebody should point out the irony to Gross, Bulova, etc.

swatpro911 · May 21, 2007

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DrMark wrote:

Tess wrote:

Her original point said her staff was "startled" when he "demanded" to see her. She re-interpreted that as a threat;if she had done so initially, she would have had police involvement.

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I doubt she'd call the police... that would result in more men with guns showing up, further intimidating her!

:lol:

anyone got her

pic or how she look like? was she born during civil war? I think she thinks of OC as Old Country folks with guns and stuff which makes her uncomfortable.

Tess · May 21, 2007

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swatpro911 wrote:

anyone got her pic or how she look like? was she born during civil war? I think she thinks of OC as Old Country folks with guns and stuff which makes her uncomfortable.

swatpro, I'm certainly not defending Gross, but haven't you been taken to task more than once on this board for making determinations based on how people look? What does it take to get the message through?

DoubleR · May 22, 2007

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"Petty Penny" and her croniesare at it again. In the Washrag Post, 5/22...

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The Fairfax County Board of Supervisors agreed yesterday to seek permission from the Virginia General Assembly next year to ban guns from public buildings.
The move came in the wake of a confrontation between county officials and a private gun rights organization, Virginia Citizens Defense League, which held a gun raffle last week at the Mason District Governmental Center in Annandale.

LoveMyCountry · May 22, 2007

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DoubleR wrote:

"Petty Penny" and her croniesare at it again. In the Washrag Post, 5/22...

[font=Arial,Helvetica][size=-1]FAIRFAX PUBLIC BUILDINGS
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[font=Arial,Helvetica][size=-1]Supervisors to Request Gun Ban
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The Fairfax County Board of Supervisors agreed yesterday to seek permission from the Virginia General Assembly next year to ban guns from public buildings.
The move came in the wake of a confrontation between county officials and a private gun rights organization, Virginia Citizens Defense League, which held a gun raffle last week at the Mason District Governmental Center in Annandale.

We need to take note that the word "public" seems to have shifted meaningfrom of, by and for the peopleand now meanscontrolled by the government.

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