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Thread to Organize Lawsuit and/or Open Carry Walks

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Malum Prohibitum wrote:
Malum Prohibitum wrote:
Ok, so:

Lammie

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Now you have two out of staters (Illinois and Ohio) and two residents of Wisconsin. Why do people out of state want this more than you do?
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I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but even a Wisconsinite has said, essentially, that WI people are not quite "right".

Add to that the imperial attitude of the "team" which seems to exist in WI, and I think that pretty much answers the question.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=244569

I'm not so sure we want it more than they do, but they seem to have much more faith in government than Ohioans for instance... "we just need to convince our overseers that we're safe, and that we'll behave ourselves". Nevermind the continuing victims who are being created by the legislature and the approach of the 'people'. WI=socialists=nanny state?

MP - I wish I could get into their heads, because I absolutely know that 2 plus 2 equals 4, and that the same cast of political players is going to deliver to WI what it already has - unless some part of the equation changes. I know you, Iand other out of staters are trying to get them to change some part of the equation, but I think it's a hopeless cause.

WI people - call me when you're serious, and may the master's whip lay softly on your back.



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I'm definitely in, and I can confidently say my girlfriend is too.





"A very popular error: having the courage of one's convictions; rather it is a matter of having the courage for an attack on one's convictions." - Friedrich Nietzsche
 
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I can't understand the hesitancy after the Wisconsin people passed a very detailed RKBA State Constitutional Amendment.

What else could that clause possibly mean, if not that you can own and openlycarry a firearm?


[align=left]Right to keep and bear arms. SECTION 25. [As created[/align]
[align=left]Nov. 1998] The people have the right to keep and bear arms for[/align]
[align=left]security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful purpose.[/align]
[align=left][1995 J.R. 27, 1997 J.R. 21, vote November 1998][/align]
[align=left]The state constitutional right to bear arms is fundamental, but it is not absolute.[/align]
[align=left]This section does not affect the reasonable regulation of guns. The standard of[/align]
[align=left]review for challenges to statutes allegedly in violation of this section is whether the[/align]
[align=left]statute is a reasonable exercise of police power. State v. Cole, 2003 WI 112, 264[/align]
[align=left]Wis. 2d 520, 665 N.W.2d 328, 01−0350.[/align]
[align=left]The concealed weapons statute is a restriction on the manner in which firearms[/align]
[align=left]are possessed and used. It is constitutional under Art. I, s. 25. Only if the public[/align]
[align=left]benefit in the exercise of the police power is substantially outweighed by an individual’s[/align]
[align=left]need to conceal a weapon in the exercise of the right to bear arms will an[/align]
[align=left]otherwise valid restriction on that right be unconstitutional. The right to keep and[/align]
[align=left]bear arms for security, as a general matter, must permit a person to possess, carry,[/align]
[align=left]39 05−06 Wis. Stats.  
  
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[align=left]Updated through February 15, 2007[/align]
[align=left]and sometimes conceal arms to maintain the security of a private residence or privately[/align]
[align=left]operated business, and to safely move and store weapons within those premises.[/align]
[align=left]State v. Hamdan, 2003 WI 113, 264 Wis. 2d 433, 665 N.W.2d 785, 01−0056.
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It seems to me that the Wisconsinites don't really need to carry. They onlywish to have the privilege to conceal carry and consider their right to open carry as only a tactic to use to obtain the desired privilege.
 
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vmaxanarchist wrote:
It seems to me that the Wisconsinites don't really need to carry. They onlywish to have the privilege to conceal carry and consider their right to open carry as only a tactic to use to obtain the desired privilege.
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You object to their prefered method of carry for some reason? It should be a personal choice.
 
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vmaxanarchist wrote:
It seems to me that the Wisconsinites don't really need to carry. They onlywish to have the privilege to conceal carry and consider their right to open carry as only a tactic to use to obtain the desired privilege.
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I don't consider bearing arms, whether concealed or not, to be a "privilege." It is a RIGHT. And a right that has been greatly infringed.
 
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ilbob wrote:
vmaxanarchist wrote:
It seems to me that the Wisconsinites don't really need to carry. They onlywish to have the privilege to conceal carry and consider their right to open carry as only a tactic to use to obtain the desired privilege.
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You object to their preferred method of carry for some reason? It should be a personal choice.
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I don't object to their preferred method of carry. It just seems to me they don't want to carry in the manner the law currently allows. If they are carrying concealed that is up to them. However it risks conviction. If I lived in Wisconsin I would take advantage of the law as written and open carry now. It is a lot better then here in Illinois where I can only open carry around the block in my neighborhood, and can't step one foot on the street in front of my house.
 
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Shotgun wrote:
vmaxanarchist wrote:
It seems to me that the Wisconsinites don't really need to carry. They onlywish to have the privilege to conceal carry and consider their right to open carry as only a tactic to use to obtain the desired privilege.
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I don't consider bearing arms, whether concealed or not, to be a "privilege." It is a RIGHT. And a right that has been greatly infringed.
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I agree bearing arms is a natural right. However the law in every state except for two has infringed on that right and required a permit for a least one method of carry. This converts this right into a privilege in the eyes of the law.

What I was trying to point out the Wisconsin state constitution and the current state of the law recognizes open carry as a right already. However from what I have read here and on other sites isthat most of thepeople active in the right to carry movement in WI only seem to want the privilege of a conceal carry permit, and only consider open carrying as a possible method of demonstration tactic to obtain the desired privilege.

I still haven't heard of anybody just going out and exercising their rights in a public place as the law allows now.

I have already signed up as willing to go to an open carry walk in WI. If I lived there. I would already be routinely exercisingmy rights anyhow.
 
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Well I'll be a monkey's uncle - TWO from WI are ready!!

I can't believe it - I just can't believe it!

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There appears to be no attempt to resurrect concealed carry in Wisconsin (I couldn't find a new bill) so OC is it. What's the latest on your walk? Has the might WCCA chimed in on it?
 
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apjonas wrote:
There appears to be no attempt to resurrect concealed carry in Wisconsin (I couldn't find a new bill) so OC is it. What's the latest on your walk? Has the might WCCA chimed in on it?
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Maybe a bit OT, depending on who you mean by "your" in "yourwalk"...

FYI - pigs are not flying yet, which is why the WCCA (now renamed WCPS I think) has no interest in OC Walks.

See this thread:http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=244569
 
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Ok, I'm in. Please understand I am currently on unemployment, therefore my resources are limited. I'll need to carpool and someplace to stay if possible. I would like to hear about legal defense funds when available. Details soonest, appreciated, so let me know.
 
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