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    I was leaving Target open carrying today (as usual). Since it was 105 and the sun was beating down I told my wife to wait at the curb and I would bring the SUV to the shade to pick her and baby up. Pulled up to the curb with turn signal on.... The guy in the truck behind me wasn't happy with where I stopped and laid on the horn. I could see from the rear view mirror that he wanted to roll down the window and say something (how rude of me to make him have to drive around my vehicle!!!!). Anyway, he starts to pull around eye-balling me hard just as I'm getting out. He notices the gun and the hard look immediately turns into a "my bad" wave and he quickly drives away. Obviously, not a major altercation, but a practical example nonetheless.

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    I guess he realized that all things being equal, all things were equal! Perfect!

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    Armed4Life wrote:
    Anyway, he starts to pull around eye-balling me hard just as I'm getting out. He notices the gun and the hard look immediately turns into a "my bad" wave and he quickly drives away. Obviously, not a major altercation, but a practical example nonetheless.
    I wonder what would have happened if he had a gun too?

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    HankT wrote:
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    Anyway, he starts to pull around eye-balling me hard just as I'm getting out. He notices the gun and the hard look immediately turns into a "my bad" wave and he quickly drives away. Obviously, not a major altercation, but a practical example nonetheless.
    I wonder what would have happened if he had a gun too?
    You wouldn't be implying that bad things happen just because people carry guns, would you Hank?

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    glocknroll wrote:
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    Anyway, he starts to pull around eye-balling me hard just as I'm getting out. He notices the gun and the hard look immediately turns into a "my bad" wave and he quickly drives away. Obviously, not a major altercation, but a practical example nonetheless.
    I wonder what would have happened if he had a gun too?
    You wouldn't be implying that bad things happen just because people carry guns, would you Hank?
    No. I was just wondering what would have happened if the other guy had a gun too. What do you think, glocknroll?

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    I expect that if he were open carrying as well, he would have politely minded his own business as I was doing.

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    Armed4Life wrote:
    I expect that if he were open carrying as well, he would have politely minded his own business as I was doing.
    So he wouldn't have gotten peeved at whatever it was he was peeved at about your maneuver? Or maybe he would have gotten peeved, but would have just elected not to lay on the horn?

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    HankT wrote:
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    Anyway, he starts to pull around eye-balling me hard just as I'm getting out. He notices the gun and the hard look immediately turns into a "my bad" wave and he quickly drives away. Obviously, not a major altercation, but a practical example nonetheless.
    I wonder what would have happened if he had a gun too?
    A blood bath, no doubt.
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    Armed4Life wrote:
    I expect that if he were open carrying as well, he would have politely minded his own business as I was doing.
    Hank, this has also been my experience. Most people who carry guns legally tend to just mind their own business, and expect others to mind theirs. I would sincerely hope that no one would have lost his temper and done something stupid. I can't remember who said it first, but I have always liked the line "An armed society is a polite society." since, you, armed4life, and I are such armed, polite people, I think we could co-exist quite peacefully most anywhere.

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    I once had a (probably) panhandler type start to walk up to me in a gas station late at night while I was pumping gas near Henrico County o/a I-95; she noticed my sidearm, said "you've got a gun," and walked away.

    One advantage to OC in a brewing altercation, not that my experience was one, is deterence value without risk of a brandishing charge.

    There are of course tactical downsides to OC too.

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    As those who have OCed can attest, it does make you overly polite so as to ensure that you are never the agressor or instigator in any situation. Had he been OCing, I believe he would have been much more likely to let it slide (whatever IT was that ticked him off in the first place)

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    Just remember, "An armed society is a polite society"

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    Armed4Life wrote:
    I was leaving Target open carrying today (as usual). Since it was 105 and the sun was beating down I told my wife to wait at the curb and I would bring the SUV to the shade to pick her and baby up. Pulled up to the curb with turn signal on.... The guy in the truck behind me wasn't happy with where I stopped and laid on the horn. I could see from the rear view mirror that he wanted to roll down the window and say something (how rude of me to make him have to drive around my vehicle!!!!). Anyway, he starts to pull around eye-balling me hard just as I'm getting out. He notices the gun and the hard look immediately turns into a "my bad" wave and he quickly drives away. Obviously, not a major altercation, but a practical example nonetheless.
    And if you had been cc'ing or not carrying at all, what do you think he would have done?



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    DoubleR wrote:
    Just remember, "An armed society is a polite society"
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    There is a distinct effect on those observant enough to catch the glint of a firearm on those who open carry...

    This isnt from an abundance of personal experience... but what I have gleaned from what Ive seen here, there are a couple of instant effects...



    1) No one wants trouble from the OC inclined.

    2) No one wants to hug the OC inclined.



    That's just alright by me... not that Im anti-social, but I really dont want people feeling comfortable approaching me for spare change, to pick my pocket, to lambast me because they dont like my driving habits, or to otherwise molest me....
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    HankT wrote:
    glocknroll wrote:
    HankT wrote:
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    Anyway, he starts to pull around eye-balling me hard just as I'm getting out. He notices the gun and the hard look immediately turns into a "my bad" wave and he quickly drives away. Obviously, not a major altercation, but a practical example nonetheless.
    I wonder what would have happened if he had a gun too?
    You wouldn't be implying that bad things happen just because people carry guns, would you Hank?
    No. I was just wondering what would have happened if the other guy had a gun too. What do you think, glocknroll?
    The real question, Hank, is, "What does HankT think?", since you brought it up.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    glocknroll wrote:
    HankT wrote:
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    Anyway, he starts to pull around eye-balling me hard just as I'm getting out. He notices the gun and the hard look immediately turns into a "my bad" wave and he quickly drives away. Obviously, not a major altercation, but a practical example nonetheless.
    I wonder what would have happened if he had a gun too?
    You wouldn't be implying that bad things happen just because people carry guns, would you Hank?
    No. I was just wondering what would have happened if the other guy had a gun too. What do you think, glocknroll?
    The real question, Hank, is, "What does HankT think?", since you brought it up.
    I don't really know. It's an interestingthing, the effects that people propose. What I can't resolve, really, is what the guy in the truck got miffed at. Had to be something. Whatever it was (his own impatience, or the OP's bad maneuver, whatever) I can't really say that his having a gun would have eliminated that miffing.

    I simply don't know. I don't think anyone else does, either.

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    I don't really know. It's an interestingthing, the effects that people propose. What I can't resolve, really, is what the guy in the truck got miffed at. Had to be something. Whatever it was (his own impatience, or the OP's bad maneuver, whatever) I can't really say that his having a gun would have eliminated that miffing.

    I simply don't know. I don't think anyone else does, either.
    One of the reasons many people carry is because you really don't know what's going on inside that guy's head.

    Funny thing about the RKBA (or any right, for that matter) is that it requires to trust the average person to think and act reasonably, while constantly being alert to the ones who don't.

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    Openryan.......Thanks to OC, l didn't have to find out.

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    Anyway, he starts to pull around eye-balling me hard just as I'm getting out. He notices the gun and the hard look immediately turns into a "my bad" wave and he quickly drives away. Obviously, not a major altercation, but a practical example nonetheless.
    I wonder what would have happened if he had a gun too?
    A blood bath, no doubt.
    Indeed...

    I just live to get in gun-fights over parking spaces and traffic in-discretions



    Hank, most of the people I know who carry are pretty laid-back in public, even me (if ya' can believe it, between all of my violent confrontations with police )... Personally, I haven't even used my horn in years(much less my middle finger, derogatory vocabulary, or firearm) to intimidate someone... The general consensus is that we want to be left alone and aliveto fight real issues.

    So, what if he was a gang-banger, and wanted to start a shootout right there? At least the OP would have had some means of repelling the 'road-rage' attack.

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    molonlabetn wrote:
    VAopencarry wrote:
    HankT wrote:
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    Anyway, he starts to pull around eye-balling me hard just as I'm getting out. He notices the gun and the hard look immediately turns into a "my bad" wave and he quickly drives away. Obviously, not a major altercation, but a practical example nonetheless.
    I wonder what would have happened if he had a gun too?
    A blood bath, no doubt.
    Indeed...

    I just live to get in gun-fights over parking spaces and traffic in-discretions



    Hank, most of the people I know who carry are pretty laid-back in public, even me (if ya' can believe it, between all of my violent confrontations with police )... Personally, I haven't even used my horn in years (much less my middle finger, derogatory vocabulary, or firearm) to intimidate someone... The general consensus is that we want to be left alone and aliveto fight real issues.

    So, what if he was a gang-banger, and wanted to start a shootout right there? At least the OP would have had some means of repelling the 'road-rage' attack.

    Here's an interesting question. Let's say some guy does a bad driving maneuver and stops abruptly or unpredictably, maybe in a spot he really shouldn't be in. Something like that. The guy behind him gets inconvenienced. So he wants to tell the guy, "Hey buddy, learn how to drive! You can't stop there!" Something like that. (Not, "You $%!*&er, don't get in my #@ #%~@ #%* ing way!).

    But he sees the driver who did the bad maneuver (accidently or on purpose, hard to know) has a gun on his hip. Should the inconvenienced guy say what he wants to say ("Hey buddy, learn how to drive! You can't stop there!") or not?




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    First off, how could one seated driver see the holstered sidearm of another seated driver without coming up to the window? Had he done that, itwould be extremely aggressive and confrontational and if he then saw the gun and left, I'd say OC did it's job.

    "Hey buddy, learn how to drive!" isaggressive and just plain rude.

    If mommy and daddy didn't teach him manners and how to be polite, then let my sidearm silently force the issue.






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    "Hey buddy, learn how to drive!" isaggressive and just plain rude.

    If mommy and daddy didn't teach him manners and how to be polite, then let my sidearm silently force the issue.

    OK, change it to, "Hey mister, don't you know you can't park there?"

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    HankT.....A question in response to your question: Why would the sight of a legally holstered handgun affect his desire to politely exchange words with someone? (if, in fact, that is all he wanted to do)

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    Isn't that the reason why the statement "And armed society is a polite society" rings true? Because it makes us think twice about the obvious or unforseeable consequences for unnecessary aggression?

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